My Mock Draft v. 6.0: Losing Wallace Edition
I do not like to mock trades and usually don't but there has been a lot of speculation about a team that is under the cap offering Mike Wallace a front loaded deal so that the Steelers could not match it. I think the Steelers will only give Wallace the first round tender if they can not sign him in time. In this scenario the Patriots have roughly $20 million in cap space and a huge need for a deep threat to complement their TEs and Wes Welker. The Patriots may go after Wallace because he is a better deep threat than any prospect in the draft. This would give the Steelers their 31st pick. Knowing that here is my mock.
Round 1, Pick #24-
Cordy Glenn, OG/OT Georgia
In the past this was Mike Adams, however Adams has been rapidly rising I believe he will go to the Chargers at 18 if they can't re-sign Marcus McNeil or Gaither if not then to Chicago at 19 or Detriot just before the Steelers at 23. The Steelers then have Glenn not only as the BPA and need but, as much as I hate to admit it he fits the mold of offensive linemen that they consistently draft. If I were Colbert, I would already plan to cut Kemoeatu and re-sign both Legursy and Foster. I think the front office is heavily leaning towards moving Gilbert to LT and keeping Colon on the right side. The drafting of Glenn gives a prospect that has all the physical tools to be an All-Pro in the NFL.
Glenn is a monstrous prospect measuring in at the Senior Bowl at 6'5,1/2" 346lbs with 35 1/4" arms and 10" hands. For those of you that don't know average size for an NFL linemen is 33", good size is in the 34" range and great is 35" or more. For hand size 10" is good, 9 1/2 " is average 11" or more is great. Cordy Glenn has played both guard and tackle. I will start with his positives first. Glenn has quick feet for a guard, and powerful hands. He displays good mirror ability in the passing game and his massive frame makes it difficult to lose battles. Glenn is surprisingly athletic and when he played guard was able to pull very well. His power is going to be his greatest attribute. However Glenn has a lot of negatives that would make me hesitant to take him. Glenn is a waist bender rather then a a knee bender. He will play high and pop up out of his stance as soon as the ball is snapped. This will hurt him in the leverage battle. On top of his high play Glenn also is inconsistent and slow out of the line. I say inconsistent because most of the times he is late off the ball but when he pull he has a great quickness. He is athletic enough to get out in front of the RB and maintain the block down field. My final analysis is that Cordy Glenn can be an incredibly elite guard in the NFL, however the only person who can decide that is Glenn himself. He is truly a boom or bust guy. He needs to play motivated and hungry with a desire to punish his opponent.
Round 1, Pick #31-
Dontari Poe, NT Memphis
Having a second first round pick is nice but puts the Steelers in a weird bind. After the Steelers first pick only one other team has a need at NT till they pick again at 31. That team is the Houston Texans. Luckily for the Steelers that Houston has both Arian Foster and Mario Williams as Free Agents and will probably not keep William. The Texans also need a Wr to compliment Johnson and need a saftey. They have a serviceable guy at NT and in my opinion may take Mark Barron but they could end up taking Poe not in this scenario though. Poe is rough but he can come in and start on and be effective. The Steelers will cut Casey Hampton with hopes of signing him back for cheaper but may cut ties to him period. I think it might be best for Poe to split snaps 50/50 with Hampton once health and it would make the Steelers goal-line run defense ridiculously good.
Poe is a 6'5" 350lbs prospect with long arms and amazing strength. Many critics of Poe point out he didn't put up numbers playing against inferior talent. In the highlights I have seen on ESPN he was clearly double teamed and still made plays. He reportedly plays high and doesn't use is hands well but he has a quickness a 350lbs athlete shouldn't move like and he is a good character prospect. NT is a huge hole for the Steelers and this will fill that and give the Steelers the best player available at this spot.
Round 2, Pick #56-
George Iloka, FS Boise State
It is no secret that the Steelers safeties are aging. Polamalu plays physical and has been injury prone and Clark is on the wrong side of thirty years old. Will Allen will be cut and that leave only Ryan Mundy as a backup. The Steelers need depth and more important someone who can be a full time starter. Iloka can come in and play nickle in his rookie year as Troy will move to predator and Farrior will get off the field. Later Iloka can be a starter in this league.
George Iloka weighed in at the Senior Bowl at just under 6'4" 222lbs with 33 1/2" arms. He was able and did line up in the slot and cover receivers. Iloka plays with good balance and has some speed. His footwork is good for someone his size but could improve and because of his built is rough in changing directions. Iloka has good instinct and can play center field if asked to. He can find the ball and attack. Iloka isn't afraid to go in and tackle but he need to improve his tackling as it is poor at times. In todays NFL the TE is being used more and more. Conversely the Steelers do not have a guy who can cover a TE. Polamalu and Timmons are too small and Farrior is too slow. with his frame and coverage ability Iloka can be the guy to cover the TE in the Steelers defense and when he becomes a starter he can center field or play man coverage if asked too.
Round 3, Pick #88-
Ladarius Green TE, La-Layfette
As mentioned above the TE is becoming a huge option in the NFL. The Steelers also need to add size to their receiving corps. Many want this adding size to be with a wide receiver and with Mike Wallace gone in this scenario it could however I do not like the a lot of the Wr in this draft. With losing Wallace the team will also drop Hine Ward but will pick up Jerricho Cotchery. Wes Saunders is a developmental guy but has a four game suspension adn is still very raw.
Green is 6'6" 240lbs and has long arms. Green has quick feet to run route well and is fast for his size running about a mid 4.6 40 yard dash. Green has really strong hands and rarely drops the ball. he is experience being moved in to the slot and will be a match up nightmare in the redzone. Green will struggle in blocking but he is improving. This pick is soley to improve the redzone offense and create mismatches on the defense. Green is a hard working good character prospect, who has a clean history.
Round 4, Pick #120-
Jarius Wright, WR Arkansas
Okay so the Steelers in this scenario lose Mike Wallace and I have already said they will let go of Hines Ward. The Steelers will also release Arnaz Battle because his high cap number and becasue of these moves will need to draft a WR. Since they already got size with Green and Miller I think they will go for a guy who can get deep. Enter Jarius Wright.
Jarius Wright is 5'11" 175lbs which is a bit light but he can fly estimated at a 4.34 40 time. He also is very quick and runs crisp routes. He had 1000 yards receiving and 11TDs in the NCAA best defensive conference. Despite his size he is tough over the middle in his catching. He needs to use his hands better to catch instead of his body. Wright is smart at working man and zone coverage and can fill in a role similar to the role Wallace had in his rookie year. He will need to gain at least 10lbs and still keep his speed but he can be a good role player right away and an insurance policy if Sanders gets injured.
Round 5, Pick #152-
Derek Wolfe, DT Cincinnati
The Steelers have no real backup to both DE positions. This turned out to be a problem in last years playoff game and hurt the rotation. Wolfe is 6'5" 286lbs prospect with long arms. He has the ideal body to play the 3-4 DE. He does an excellent job finding the ball and has a great motor. He can bend well and move if needed. Wolfe however has poor strength and can't jump the gap which limits him to being a two gap 3-4 DE that uses his instincts to play. I have seen people want to take him as high as the second round. I don't know why in a very deep DT draft they would do this. Give Wolfe an NFL lifting schedule and a year or so and he can come in and be a very good rotational player in this defense maybe even the next starter after Keisel is gone. The value is too high on Wolfe to pass up.
Round 6, Pick #184-
Andrew Datko, OT Florida State
The Steelers in this scenario will move Gilbert to LT but they have very little depth there.They could alway re-sign Starks but they won't know where he is at till after the start of the season. Because of this the Steelers take a gamble on Datko. Datko was a first round prospect at the beginning of this year. He has good feet and quickness and could be an NFL LT. He is 6'6" 321lbs which is the size the Steelers like. However last year he played through a serious shoulder injury. Datko was already considered a prospect who needed to improve his strength and run blocking. If he is medically clears I' take him. He could sit a year as a back up, gain strength and possibly become a starter in time. He is the only prospect after Mike Adams with the athleticism and the feet to play LT in the NFL. For a six round pick the Steeler could get a guy that could be a good FL LT or a very good backup. I'd pull the trigger if he got the medical clearance.
Round 7, Pick #216-
Greg Zuerlein K, Missouri Western State-
Zuerlein hit an amazing 23 of his 24 FG attempts. That includes 21 straight while nine of those 21 were from 50+ yards. He has amazing range and accuracy. In the East-West Shrine game he hit a 35 yarder that sailed over the up-rights. He did a nice job on an on-side kick and kick a kickoff that landed 8 yards deep. Not only did it land that deep but when it got to the return man it had so much air that the return team was already at the 25 yard line. From 2007-2011 he was 59 of 74 with a career FG% of 79.73%. He season longs were 43 in 2007, 48 in 2008, 53 in 2009 and 58 in 2011 which he did twice in the same game. Did I mention that in the game where he kicked 2 from 58 yards it was his first full week back from injury and he said he wasn't 100%. He said his range is about 65 yards. He has a monster leg here is a video link to under the up-rights when he kicked his 58 yarder,http://youtu.be/8WZWsyoGGic .You can clearly see it could have been good from much farther away. He had a hip issue in 2010 but looked good in 2011 and I don't want to miss him so i take him here. He isn't getting his name thrown around like Blair Walsh or Carson Wiggs so he will be here when the draft comes. I'd take him and be confident in a guy who can hit the ball through the uprights on a 60 yard FG.
So there you have it. In this scenario the Steelers lose Mike Wallace which could hurt however in exchange they get some talent. They get Glenn who could become a All-Pro OG if he is willing to give it his all an fix his issues. They get Poe who gives needed depth and youth at NT. They get Iloka who could start at FS in a year. They get Green who will be a huge target in the redzone and Haley has doen well using TE in his system. They get Wright who can contribute as being a deep threat. They get Wolf who could become a starter if not a solid rotational DE. They take a risk on Datko and could get an NFL LT in the 6th and they get a kicker with a huge leg. Sounds like a win to me. Let me know what you all think of this.
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I have to disagree with your premise
Yes the Patriots could really use Wallace, but….
1. They still have to sign Welker who will cost about the same as Wallace – they cannot commit that kind of money to two WR’s.
2. Gronk and Hernandez will be in the same boat next year and the Pat’s will prioritize keeping them.
3. This was the 31st or 32nd ranked defense in the NFL in 2011 and they have a lot of work to do on that side of the ball which should take a good chunk of that cap space to acomplish.
That said, I like the mock.
Wallace can be had, but I don’t think it will be by the Patriots.
Why draft defense when you can score over 35 a game
That is what Wallace brings for the cheaters. Our strength at WR has now become a question
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by PCISteeler on Feb 20, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Glad to hear your opinion
They still have to sign Welker who will cost about the same as Wallace – they cannot commit that kind of money to two WR’s.
Welker is 31 years old who prior to being with Tom Brady and in the Patriots system he had 96 receptions in three years. He knows that he is a slot receiver, he knows that with Brady for a few more year he could potentially get to the Hall if he keep leading the league in receptions. He won’t ask for huge money and the Patroits can back load it while front loading Wallace so they off set.
Gronk and Hernandez will be in the same boat next year and the Pat’s will prioritize keeping them.
Gronk definitely but Hernandez probably not no sense having to highly paid TE. This could factor in but I don’t think that much.
This was the 31st or 32nd ranked defense in the NFL in 2011 and they have a lot of work to do on that side of the ball which should take a good chunk of that cap space to acomplish.
There biggest need is Pass rush (Nick Perry USC OLB) which they can get with their first pick and DB and this is a very deep CB draft with dome S prospect in the second. It is doable and with a Welker, Gronk, Wallace they will put up some major points.
Glad you like the picks though…
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Good points...
and perhaps you are right, but I hope not! Can you imagine Brady having Wallace in addition to Welker, Gronk, and Hernandez – scary.
The Patriots have never been a team to throw big $ at WR though.
Bye the bye, I do think Glenn is the most likely pick for the Steelers, and I wouldn’t mind that at all.
by Kansas Steel on Feb 20, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
It makes sense to pencil in a pass-rusher for the Pats
But we all know that they’ll trade back to acquire more picks, which will probably lead to them taking an OL and a RB in the 1st. Then we’ll all hear about how much of a genius Belichick is for it.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 21, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
I completely disagree on Welker. Does it matter that he is 31 when he is still getting 122 receptions? He may be old, but you will not and cannot get him for cheap coming off a season like he had. And there is no way in hell that his agent would be dumb enough to backload his contract when he is 31 years old. Then the Pats are basically getting you for a cheap year or two before cutting you before the big money.
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by John Stephens on Feb 21, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent post and love reading them.
Glad to see a safety getting drafted early. Me personally, i’m liking Markelle Martin.
I think Cordy is a bit too risky in the 1st for the Steelers. LIke you said, he’s boom or bust, and the Steelers hardly bust in the 1st.
Not sure I’m big on another small WR.
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by SteelerMessican on Feb 20, 2012 8:49 PM EST reply actions
That small WR is pretty good
If we weren’t so deep at the position I would take him in the 3rd and not look back.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
If the Patsies somehow got Wallace.....
I would Chinga somebody’s Madre!
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by SteelerMessican on Feb 20, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Great!
I Love the first 3 rounds, especially the TE pick. I really think our offense would flourish with a big athletic TE like that (still love Heath). I personally think that we should wait on wr until the late rounds and use a 4 or 5 on a pass rusher or ILB.
I don’t understand a TE pick at all. Saunders has all the tools, and receiver like skills.
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Exactly. Give the kid a full off-season, a new and (hopefully) improved offense, some more playing time, and I think he could flourish. I don’t expect him to be an All-Pro anytime soon, but he does have the potential.
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I kind of do expect him to be an all pro soon (like two seasons). I think he has it all, he just needs to put it together. Of course, I could be overrating him, but from the limited action I’ve seen him in, it gives me a lot to be excited about. I have really high hopes for him.
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Saunders is 6’6" 270lbs he had a 33.5" vertical and ran a 4.82 40 yard dash
Greeen is 6’6" 240lbs expected to run a low 4.6 have a great vertical and good hands.
Let just say I have lower expectation for the UDFA who has a 4 game suspension to go with a new coordinator. Also the athleticism, work ethic and character in college for Green was far better then Saunders.
As far as going to TE I could have gone LB but I decided to go unconventional and BPA.
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suspension
Has it been formally announced or is it just rumour?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Nope and
it looks more like he won’t be suspended.
Plus I’d like to know how he got Saunders 40 time since I don’t believe he was at the combine last year.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 21, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I would say pro-day
but he wasn’t a member of USC’s team so I doubt that’s it
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 21, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I checked on this-
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=71671&draftyear=2011&genpos=
He was at the South Carolina pro day. Although he ran with an injury. He was only projected to run a 4.96. Not great acceleration just so difficult to bring down once moving.
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In last sentence of the second paragraph says he ran a 4.9 something but I spotted him some milliseconds.
or here http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273280
Which quotes it as a 4.96
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So you are taking 40 times
from a guy who had a broken bone in his foot at the time?
Not saying he is fast just saying I don’t trust those numbers.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
No
I spotted him his estimated low forty time when I said 4.82 he actually ran a 4.96. That was estimated before he ran and before he was injured.
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its all good
Not a big deal.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to Disagree: offseason II
They were referring to Saunders suspension like it was given so maybe it is happening.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 23, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
We'll see
I mean at lot can happen, I’m sure if he is officially suspended an appeal would come and we’d have to see what comes out of that.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
But you feel the need to draft a TE? At the very worst, TE is a want.
I don’t think the two tenths matters when we are talking about tight ends. Not many are playing the Wallace game.
I could understand you using the udfa thing if he was un-drafted because he sucked. But that’s not the case. He was an elite talent that slept in a hotel room someone paid for, so he missed his senior year.
And he is big, but he still moves like a WR, which makes him even more valuable. Bettis was huge, but he had small guy moves. Saunders has potential to be a game changer in the future at 270 or whatever weight.
But it is your draft, and I get your point. But I have to say I hope you are wrong. Even if that guy is good, we have needs, I wouldn’t like focusing on wants.
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draft
like draft I think we will draft a ilb instead of te
by snakeman37 on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Keep these coming man
I love this time of year, except for the whole “no football” thing…
Anyway I wouldn’t take Glenn in the 1st, partly because I dont know what position he will play long-term. Personally I think he’s a RT; doesn’t look comfortable playing inside and he’s obviously not a LT.
Poe is a very intriguing prospect, even though I don’t like tall NTs. I really want to see he and Ta’amu at the combine because those guys are probably the two NTs we’re looking to get in the 1st.
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Completely agree with you
It pained me to type that Glenn would be a first round pick. However the more and more I looked at the big picture of where I think players will fall I see it coming down to either Glenn or Poe at 24. Personally I think it will be Poe because he is going to impress at the combine. Maybe someone will drop but if that doesn’t happen those are the two.
Personally I don’t like that Glenn doesn’t finish his block or that he got abused by Ta’amu in the Senior Bowl. I don’t think he plays with leverage at the OG position but this organization like big offensive linemen.
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I think Poe would help…Poe first then a ilb farrior is old and shouldn’t return…
by snakeman37 on Feb 21, 2012 2:16 AM EST via Android app reply actions
PATS
What is PITT doing wrong here? We are “over the cap”; NE is way under it, has been to 5 Super Bowls; always have multiople draft picks etc. Should PITT be following their lead?? Would apper NE is making all the right moves on paper at least.
That is why they won the Super Bowl this year
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His delivery may have been off...
…but he does have a valid point; NE competes year after year for the SB, as do the Steelers, but unlike our team, they don’t have the cap issues, and have a wealth of draft picks.
While we may disdain the Patsies for their lack of defense, they did get pretty far with it this year (further than we did, sad to say).
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They also have been cutting recent 1st and 2nd-round draft picks left and right, seemingly making little use of all those draft picks.
It also seems rather unfair to currently compare the cap situations of the Steelers and Patriot when three to four years ago it would have been reversed, i.e. due to the Patriots having many veterans at high salaries. Instead, the Patriots have rebuilt the defense and offensive line, for the most part, and currently have low salaries. They also have a horrendous secondary, a revolving door at DE, and a lack of depth in the WR group.
If the Steelers begin to disassemble the current defense and release/see the retirement of high-salary veterans (as should also happen in the next couple of years), our cap situation would also be better.
Finally, looking at the records over the last five years, especially in terms of playoff performance, I am not sure what cause there is to prefer to follow the Patriots:
Patriots: 64-16 W-L, missed playoffs in 2008, wild-card loss in 2008, divisional loss in 2010, Super Bowl losses in 2007 and 2011
Steelers: 55-25 W-L missed playoffs in 2009, wild-card losses in 2007 and 2011, Super Bowl loss in 2010, Super Bowl win in 2008
1 Super Bowl win < 1 Super Bowl loss, 1 wild-card win, and 9 more wins in the regular season?
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But with this guy, I swear he is in love with the Patriots. All he does is talk about how great they are and how they do everything better than we do. Why does he waste his time on a loser team like us?
“Bill has draft picks” Yeah..he has…for a long time. They have produced absolutely nobody of note. Most of the players he got are either gone, or suck.
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Yea but...
…they made it to the Super Bowl (again), and before you jump all over me…
…you can’t win a Super Bowl, unless you are in a Super Bowl.
I’m no Patsies lover, like the guy above, and I try to express myself in a more thoughtful way, but you can’t argue with his basic premise about the Pat’s success; after all, they are the most successful team (winning percentage wise) during Tomlin’s tenure (full disclosure though, Steelers are 2nd most successful team).
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Yes, they were in the Super Bowl. So were we last year. They don’t do everything perfect, they have Tom Brady. Those draft picks Stefan keeps bringing up, meant absolutely nothing. BB blew them all ( or at least most) I think like two of the extra picks he’s gotten over the years are starters, and a lot aren’t even on the team.
Hasn’t the Patriots success the last two years baffled you? They never looked like a great team to me. They had a great offense that can bowl teams over, but it still seems like everywhere they go, they have a bulldozer clearing their path so there’s no resistance.
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Think about what you said about the Patsies then look at it this way…as bad as they have been on defense, they still compete, year after year, but without the salary cap issues. So Belicheat must be doing something right with his draft picks, and their FO with salaries.
I’m not defending Stefan per se, but am expressing concern that (1) we got into this mess somehow, and (2) I don’t like the idea of mortgaging 5 years of future mediocrity for “one last shot” in 2012.
…and Roger Goodell is Such an Ass
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Goota be a Linebacker in there
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Agreed
Steelers love linebackers, i’d be sick with this draft. No offense Steel :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 21, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
None taken
I understand that the chances the Steelers take an LB is like 95% just changing things up preparing for all possibilities. Once I start to see you they are bringing in to their facility I will know which LBs they like and prospects overall. Then the draft will start to be more accurate to what might actually happen in the Draft.
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Cool
Yea I try not to get to caught up in mock drafts, they are just thoughts and appreciate you doing them. Its good to get a different look at it because no one knows what the draft is going to look like anyways.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I don't necessarily disagree with the premise
and it concerns me that there’s a real chance they lose him, but I think if anyone takes him, it’ll be the Bengals. They could use someone opposite AJ Green and they have 2 first round draft picks to give up
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Green has been a favorite of mine, a guy I hope the Steelers do end up drafting. Big, fast, athletic, a vertical threat up the seem, something Miller really isn’t. We have seen what these types of TEs can do to opposing defenses.
I don’t know why, but I am not sold on Glenn. I would not be disappointed if they selected him at 24, just would not be thrilled with it either…..
For Poe, I think we can get Chapman deeper in the draft and it would be a better bargain. We need someone stout against the run, and Chapman is just that. And those defenders from Alabama, you know they have been coached properly, to get that a few rounds later I think is the better way to go.
I like George Iloka, but I like Stephon Gilmore a little bit more. Ike played well last year, but that playoff game was a disaster! I can see Gilmore taking over the top CB spot in time, and with the other young CBs we have, it would seem the position will be one of strength pretty soon. However, if Gilmore is gone, Iloka would be a fantastic pick!
Have to check the kicker out, really haven’t put to much efforts into finding one…. Truth be told I am waiting for next year to draft Quinn Sharp from OK State. Great punter and kicker! Averaged 46.2 yards per punt, down 15 inside the 20 and lead football in touchbacks. This was as a junior……
It would be horrible to lose Wallace to NE!
I cannot think of anything worse happening. Quick question if two teams make offers who gets the player for example SF and NE?
The Steelers need a faster TE, because as of the way the league is headed and Miller (whom I do love as a Steeler) had a contract of 7 mil, 8 mil and 9 mil the next 3 seasons. Saunders did go to the combine but he was injured and did not run a 40 there. His size gives him an advantage as a receiver, not speed. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273280d.
I also like Chapman, he is recovering from injury, but does not have to learn the 3-4 defense which I would think takes longer. It is amazing that he played with that injury and noone noticed or could take advantage of it.
I am not sold on Iloka or a safety that high. I have a strong feeling if Curtis Brown can win the nickel spot, you might see Cortez Allen eventually playing FS. Much like Carnell Lake, he has good size and cover skill. Having him on the field more often would be better than the 3rd or 4th CB.
I don’t know how high his value will be but Quinn Sharp is amazing. A few notes you did not mention- he had over a 50% TB rate for the 2nd year in a row. He also won the FG duties this year and was 2nd nationally in FG%. I would certainly give up a 4th rd pick. I would love the Zuerlein pick but I cannot see him even reaching the Steelers in the 6th.
you might see Cortez Allen eventually playing FS.
Cortez may very well start opposite Ike about a 1/4 way thru the season.
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 21, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Quick question if two teams make offers who gets the player for example SF and NE?
Whomever Mike signs with….. Once he signs an offer, Pittsburgh would have an opportunity to match it.
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Ive sat back and watched how people comment on what the Steelers front office needs to do. What bothers me is people seem to forget how many times Farrior got ran past on third and long for a first down or missed a tackle because of his lack of speed to a point or bad angle taken. Those plays result alot of times in the defense staying on the field and offense having less opportunities to score. I suggest we draft ILB, DT, Ol, Then BPA.
I think it was right to consider a draft with losing wallace.......
Probably going to happen. He has already expressed his opinion on playing for San Fran and the Patriots. He also said; His heart will always be in Pittsburgh, but he has to do what he has to do. (Writing on the wall.) This also makes sense because both teams are in position for “the Player” they need to win the superbowl. San Fran is already there and probably would of been there this year if it wasnt for some key mistakes in the NFC championship. Im not sure who they might loose in FA, but they are a team who really doesnt need much more to the puzzle for the SB. The Patriots are a team that can afford not to worry about loosing draft picks, since, once again, they are loaded for picks this year. So, they could afford to loose a pick or two. The main thing is if they would be able to afford to pay Welker and Wallace. With B.B. and Craft, if they want a player, they will make it work.
Compensatory 1st round pick
I thought I read here somewhere that compensation was the following year’s draft, not the current years. Am I mistaken?
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by Flying Polamalus on Feb 23, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions
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For a RFA, the compensation is your original 1st round pick (not any you got from trades), in the 2012 draft.
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Yeah I may have posted that...
No it is the teams original pick in this draft. Sorry for the misinformation.
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