Alleged Outside Interest for Steelers WR Mike Wallace Most Likely a Smoke Screen
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM EST
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PrintLets put our "Other Team" hats on for a moment.
Just a quick moment. I know they fit terribly. Been reports of awful odors, too.
The trendy argument today suggests dual reasons behind a team, particularly one from the AFC, giving Steelers WR Mike Wallace a front-loaded multi-year contract offer when restricted free agency opens (March 13). Many teams, good ones in particular, could sign the game's best deep threat while only parting ways with a low-first round draft pick.
Their argument continues they could help cripple the Steelers at the same time. The logic makes sense, but the practicality is off quite a bit.
What's more likely is other teams are simply floating rumors of their interest in Wallace to get the cap-strapped Steelers to slap the franchise tag on him, instead of simply giving him a high-level tender as a restricted free agent. Why bother overpaying for another team's free agents when you can indirectly steer that team to do it themselves?
Every team would want a player of Wallace's caliber on their roster, but only for the right price. From Wallace's perspective, he gains negotiating leverage if he gets a franchise tag from Pittsburgh. If they're willing to give him (estimated) $9.6 million this season under the tag, he's going to want a large chunk of that very soon in a long-term extension. Other teams are likely to figure this out, and it won't cost them a dime to simply tell a beat reporter they're interested in Wallace, and let the Speculation Machine that runs NFL off-season news do its thing.
Let's take some of the alleged front-runners who seem to be in a good position in terms of picks and cap room to sign Wallace in restricted free agency.
The Patriots would be offering Wallace a multi-year deal along with the guaranteed up-front money of the franchise tag, which they will likely be giving WR Wes Welker, a guy who's been the heart-and-soul of their receiving corps since he arrived there in 2007.
If they're willing to risk or destroy long-term negotiations with Welker for the sake of signing Wallace, we'd have to ask ourselves which team is it actually hurting. Considering the Patriots chose WR Brandon Tate (now with Cincinnati) one pick ahead of Wallace in the 2009 draft, logically, they would be thinking of simply looking into the draft to find the deep threat they allegedly covet.
Would anyone put underhanded and devious practices past the Patriots?
As for the Bengals, since when does the fact they're $60 million under the cap affect their long-standing policy of not paying their players much? Their legendary tight-fistedness makes them spend to the floor, not the ceiling. Wallace's value and impact on the game is unquestioned, but using both of their first-round picks to more evenly build talent on an up-and-coming team for less seems much closer in line to Cincinnati's modus operendi than going out and trading picks for a player plus a huge contract.
Besides, they were a highly competitive 10-6 team with a rookie quarterback, and they aren't going to lose anyone this offseason. Two first-round picks on players who will cost approximately 25 percent combined of what they'd have to pay Wallace is more their style.
The Ravens signed Anquan Boldin to a four-year, $28 million contract in 2010, and will earn $6 million in each of the next two seasons. Outside of their failed attempt to acquire Terrell Owens in 2004, have never made a play for a receiver at such a high price. In fact, the botched deal for T.O. was for a second round pick, and it's extremely difficult to argue Owens in 2004 (77 catches, 1,200 yards, 15.8 ypc, 14 touchdowns) was a less productive player than Wallace in 2011.
The Patriots (27 and 31), Browns (4 and 22) and Bengals (17 and 21) are the three teams with two first-round picks. The Browns, like the Patriots, will have to franchise a player (LB D'Qwell Jackson), which will leave them with little cap space to make a play for Wallace. While they'd have perhaps an easier time of doing that than Pittsburgh will, it's still not going to be easy. At least the Steelers can convince veterans to restructure contracts based on the idea of continuing to win by keeping their own. It'd be harder to do that for a mercenary, like Wallace.
Besides, it was WR Antonio Brown - and not Wallace - who shredded the Browns in two games last season.
All that being said though, it would still be reasonable to try to clear enough money to franchise Wallace, despite the fact that he is technically just a restricted free agent. The Steelers would then follow the usual course of action for franchise players and try to lower that cap hit by signing him to a long-term deal before the start of the regular season. All of the leverage would be on Wallace's side, but it would be a sincere way to try to retain his services long-term and would be equitable for all parties involved (the team, Wallace, and the veterans that would need to restructure their own deals).
The truth, perhaps the unfortunate truth, is that the Steelers may be forced by the cap to call the bluff. If so, all of the talk - which is likely just a smokescreen right now - could end up having some real teeth.
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I agree with the premise
I can not see anyone offering him what the franchise tag is. Whatever is offered can be matched. This is where I think it gets to be tricky. If the Pats/Ravens offer him something in the range of $7-$8 million per year, if you are the Steelers of course you match it… But what if the 49ers do? You will not see them for 4 years, so no need to worry about him torching you. At that point, do the Steelers think, 1st round pick, save $8M, or we resign him no matter what. I think the team who offers him a contract (if anyone does) will have more important to the Steelers as to how much it is worth.
If Al Davis were alive, I bet he would be flipping right about now…… Speed!
I am a bit confused by how this works...
If Wallace is offered a higher amount of money from another team, is he obligated to go play for them? Could this be avoided if Wallace wanted to stay in Pittsburgh and the Steelers paid him more (but not as much as putting the franchise tag on him)?
I like sports and I don't care who knows.
The issue is that we realistically can't pay him what the market would
Some of the teams in better cap shape could offer a contract approaching $10M. The Steelers can’t.
I’m sure Wallace would love to stay, but if someone offers you a job paying say 40% more than your current company can offer then you take the job (unless of course you’d have to live in a hell hole like Texas).
I still think the odds are we’ll find a way of paying him a fair amount and he’ll stay, but I wouldn’t blame him at all if he took a lottery contract from another team.
One part I didn’t get into, and I think it touches on what you’re saying…look at how many veterans have been asked to restructure contracts. In Harrison’s case, I think this is his second year in a row. Timmons, Taylor and Woodley just signed deals last year and are already restructuring them.
Wallace – or any of the guys up for this next year – could simply say “you’ve got too many guys you want to pay, and not enough space to pay them.”
I agree 100 percent with you, though, and I don’t think I could blame him. He has nowhere to go but down from a value perspective. Because of that, I think he’s more willing to take more overall money on a longer deal. To get him out of Pittsburgh, though, a team would have to front-load his contract quite a bit, and leave him vulnerable in the third year of the deal. If I were him, I’d be looking for more of a balanced deal.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
In my humble opinion...
If I were him, I’d be looking for more of a balanced deal.
…I think this member of Young Money is going to chase the money. I have no concrete reason other than a “feeling”, but I think the “one trick pony” comment, the lack of production opportunities in the 2nd half of the season, his repeated lack of effort to fight for the ball, or become a defender upon interception, are all rattling around in his head, and my bet is he takes the richest offer he can, since the most valuable “tool” he has is his speed, which, like love, is fleeting.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Feb 21, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
i agree pavasteeler
I do like wallaces speed , but of all of the things that define greatness needs SPEED is only one of them, and its kinda scary to think about what he would be if he slowed down, he still wouldnt be fighting for the ball or chasing down defenders that intercepted a ball , Heck can he be counted on to goe acrossed the middle or even block. I like what he brings to the table but I fear the things that he doesnt bring. I remember a guy that had great speed that took quite alot of plays off and then he even started losing a step and now he is just trying to find a job. I wont say his name but he is number 84. I want to keep wallace in a big way but I dont want the Steelers to break the bank for him
keiselsbeard
Yeah, that “taking plays off” thing sure came back to bite Moss in the ass, huh? He certainly tried on 23 plays in 2007.
He “slowed down” after becoming the biggest playmaker not named Rice the game has ever seen. What a waste he was.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah he didn't help them out at all
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 21, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s the secret, every vertical receiver “takes plays off.” When he sees they’re going over-under on him, and it’s a running play, he’s not going to just savagely bash the cornerback, who isn’t going to make a move to the runner anyway.
It doesn’t even make a difference if he did go 110 percent on the play, the receiver accomplished what he wanted to before the snap; he had the attention of two people.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
why did the pats dump him??????
Why couldnt he keep his job in with the titans why is he having a hard time finding work right now. If you read what I said , I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY WILL BE AFTER THEY LOSE A STEP. All of the things that you are climbing on my back about are when he still had speed.
keiselsbeard
Wallace will be 26 during camp this year. Moss was dumped when he was 34. I really don’t think it’d be wise to worry about the point in which Wallace will slow down.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Okay Neal
I wasnt actually just thinking about age though. I was thinking about the small aches and pains that come up, minor ham string, tweaking an ankle . Just the things that slow anyone down. Heck I know we all get old ha ha. This is a question about moss and the pats< NOT GIVING YOU A HARD TIME but who played opposite moss in 2007. Tommy terrific put up a ton of tds that year and Moss had 23 that still left a group of td passes to go around
keiselsbeard
I think we all know, or understand...
…that
every vertical receiver "takes plays off."
inlcuding Moss; but what hurt Moss was how his statements became the perception that he “took off” more than just individual routes in a game.
But your
that "taking plays off" thing sure came back to bite Moss in the ass, huh?actually (in my feeble mind) supports my position that all Wallace has going for him is his speed, and he knows it, and so will chase the money to get paid for that one unteachable skill on any team that offers the most $$$, as opposed to taking less, and maybe learning to become a more well-rounded player on a team that has expectations of contention, year in and year out.
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
No doubt Moss was an incredible talent.
I think the reason why so many football fans view Moss in a negative light is because he was the one guy everyone felt would have the best chance of catching Rice. And this is where Moss came up very short. There are a ton of receivers who would love to have a career like the one Moss just had (assuming he doesn’t play anymore). But I think a lot of people believe Moss should have been much better than his pro bowl numbers. Is it fair to hold him or anyone to such a high standard? No. But it is what it is.
I think it is fair.
Usually I defend the player but in this instance, if Moss had the work ethic Rice had, and the attitude Rice had, he would have caught and surpassed rice. To this day there has not been a more talented WR to play the game of football than Randy Moss. He did what he did while not giving his all and shutting it down some games, who else you know could get away with that and still have the numbers he has.
Its all on Moss why he isn’t considered the best WR to ever play the game.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Selling a new car...
…because you know old cars break down doesn’t make sense. I hear completely what you’re saying, but he’s young still. Very young.
I’m not worried about him losing speed anytime relatively soon. I have a similar hunch about the “chase the money” comment. I also suspect he is a prime candidate to turn into a Plaxico/Santonio troublemaker/bigmouth. Again, just a hunch. If I’m the Steelers I expect nobody will take him, and save the 9.6ish from F.T.
by Nate36bus on Feb 21, 2012 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You've obviously NEVER been to Texas.
Some of the prettiest land this country has to offer.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Feb 21, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
And the manliest women. kidding of course, but yeah, can’t understand how someone could talk bad about Texas. At the very least it’s home to the greatest “music city” in the world.
One likes to believe in the freedom of music. But glittering prizes and endless compromises, shatter the illusion of integrity.
Idk
it depends on what you looking for…. there are plenty of beautiful black women in texas, heck some make beyonce (who is from texas) look ugly. lol I say that in a completely platonic way. (Never know who is looking on the internet)
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 22, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
lol
neva said she was ugly… just saying there are prettier… without makeup. JayZ still out kicked his coverage with her though..
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 22, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I was kidding, there are a lot if extremely fine ladies down there, and a “non trashy” southern accent sounds hot as hell.
One likes to believe in the freedom of music. But glittering prizes and endless compromises, shatter the illusion of integrity.
lol
i was just playing along
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Swedish
I prefer a genuine Swedish accent but that is me.
anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Swedish would not be as high on my list. British is first (not the trashy British), non trashy southern, then other stuff.
Not on the list anywhere: German, French
One likes to believe in the freedom of music. But glittering prizes and endless compromises, shatter the illusion of integrity.
French
The most beautiful woman’s voice I ever heard was that of a francophone. She mistakenly dialed my office number and I spent over 5 minutes unsuccessfully trying to tell her who she had contacted (I am a monoglot). Her voice was remarkable. I was heartbroken that I couldn’t understand a word she said.
anyone trying to contact me via my yahoo account should be aware it has been hacked
by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 24, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
We talked bad about Texas the week of the Texans game
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
So is every other state.
One likes to believe in the freedom of music. But glittering prizes and endless compromises, shatter the illusion of integrity.
Drea
Wallace has to sign the tender offer from another team first, I didn’t write that very clearly. Wallace is then agreeing to a contract that is required to be upheld by either the club who offered it, or the Steelers upon them matching it.
Wallace can be offered whatever from whatever team, but nothing counts until he signs it.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Solid argument
Really, it is a decision between the certainty of the type of player Wallace is and the ‘double whammy’, in the word of Ozzie Newsome, of paying that contract and giving up a first rounder. Is Wallace worthy of a first-round pick? Sure. But the commitment in terms of money makes it difficult, which you astutely note.
Especially in the case of the Bengals, think about in three years and the amount of cap to be devoted to three players (projecting current stats and the need to sign new contracts), namely Andy Dalton, A.J. Green, and Mike Wallace (in this scenario). That is quite a bit and the contracts make it difficult to do anything else with the makeup of the team.
For a similar reason, I can not see the Steelers using the franchise tag. Signing Wallace to such a deal limits what can be done with Antonio Brown, not to mention the possibility of re-signing Sanders down the line. If they are devoting that much money, the odds are that they would want to keep him long-term. Moreover, I believe the tag would make Wallace the second-highest player on the team behind Ben, which seems a bit odd.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
I struggle with Wallace's worth
Wallace has some flaws that he probably won’t ever get over. And he’s got some tools that you have to be born with. I was impressed with his speed, and his route running improved this season, but he is really bad at judging and adjusting to the long ball.
Part of Wallace’s problem is with Ben. He just isn’t that accurate with the long pass. He doesn’t throw that nice spiral that flies true and predictable, and it is really affected by the wind.
If Ben was simply playing hurt, and can be expected to improve his long throws, Wallace is much more valuable. If not, I’d rather get the 1st round pick, and sign Ward, Cotchery, and/or Burress.
by ballparkfranks on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, I kinda feel the same way about Wallace, but I wouldn’t sign Ward. I’d take Cotchery, but nobody will really know until camp, if and when Ward goes up against the others. Buress won’t sign back w/Pgh because he’s made it clear he wants to play for the nightmare team, but I would look for a tall imposing receiver rounding out Wallace, Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery. Can you have 5 wr’s?
I also agree that he has issues that he won’t ever fix – like adjusting to the long ball(as you highlight), and finding the seams and open spots – like A Brown does. Brown is crafty and improvises. Wallace needs structure and stability. In keeping with Rebecca’s musical metaphor, it kinda like a classical musician vs a jazz player (not counting Wynton Marsalis). The Steelers with Ben is a jazz band, and Wallace might do better with a classical quartet.
Hell, I like to speculate like anybody else.
A Couple quick points
Not to take away from Antonio Brown’s amazing accomplishments this year, but it seems to me that his explosive emergence coincided with opponents double covering Wallace with a safety over the top on his side of the field every single play.
I am no film watching expert, so perhaps somebody can confirm or deny this, but I recall plays where we had Wallace as the only WR on the field, in a clear running situation, and the defense still laid off quite a bit to Wallace’s side.
In my opinion, Wallace is worth huge money just because of the attention he commands, not only because of the numbers he puts up.
Additionally, at 6 feet, he is the tallest of the Young Money crew. And I’m not buying that we will draft or sign an effective red zone threat, I have been hearing that for 8 years now.
by jedmiller71 on Feb 21, 2012 10:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It’s not as much as you might think. If anything, it may force a team to not play in its base defense (assuming they aren’t a Cover 2 team, which no one in the AFC North is) less often than they want.
I don’t have all the 11×11 tape, but teams primarily played zone against the Steelers, meaning, they weren’t ever double-teaming anyone by design. Brown’s skill was just like Ward’s back in his heyday – he found soft spots in intermediate zones and ran good routes.
If anything, Wallace’s presence suggests more of a benefit to the run game, and the Steelers ran successfully outside of short yardage situations (2 TEs, Wallace and Brown not always on the field together) on a per-play basis (4.4 ypc ain’t bad). If the opponent was in their base defense with their secondary in man, and a safety was covering either Wallace or Brown, then yes, that would be a mistake, but it’s not tough to simply bring on a third corner if they wanted to play man. They just kept a safety back, and stayed in zone up front. Wallace still had plenty of big plays.
There’s no doubt, though, one good receiver makes another good receiver look great, and vice versa, and I think the numbers of either one may go up or down without the other, but ultimately, the offense would lose out overall.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting info, thanks.
Wallace did not have nearly as many big plays in the second half of the season as he did in the first, though I’m sure there were a number of factors that contributed to that, it is worth noting that his number of catches and yards per game went down as Brown’s went up.
That probably is what leads me to believe what I stated above.
by jedmiller71 on Feb 21, 2012 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it was Ben’s lack of ability to get him the ball. Just my opinion…look at that throw to Wallace against Denver. Ben failed to recognize man coverage off the snap, took too long to wind up his Leftiwich-ian-like release, and slung the thing like they were playing 500.
Granted Wallace could have held onto the ball, but if he saw it right away, it was six points without a question.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Should’ve been 6 anyways. Dammit don’t make me think about it lol.
by jedmiller71 on Feb 21, 2012 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Leftiwich-ian-like release
…
is that anything like the Strangelov-ian-like off-season we’re having?
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
by PaVaSteeler on Feb 21, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to add the hit Wallace took over the middle in the middle of the season.
Don’t remember the game/player.
To the Ben’s injury list length, exceeding his ability to deal with it.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
Can't you say the same thing about Wallace?
The emergence of Mike Wallace, was a result of teams focusing on Santonio Holmes. After Holmes was traded, Wallace continued to develop. If Wallace moves on, of course Antonio Brown will receive more attention, but that will create an opportunity for another WR to emerge.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Yes you can. I completely trust our FO, so if we let Wallace walk I will be drafting Sanders in fantasy, as I will be sure he’s ready for a breakout year.
So let’s see if there’s a team that forces us to decide…my money is on us matching almost any offer…I guess we have to wait and see.
by jedmiller71 on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great analysis
What ever decision the Steelers FO comes to, regarding Wallace, it needs to be conducted in a vacuum. This should be about the cost/benefit of retaining Wallace.
If the FO feels that they can get more bang for the buck, by spending the cost of the franchise tag on Wallace, then using the same amount of money signing free agents at other positions, then they should tag him. If not, then they should tender him. The decision doesn’t need to be any more complicated than that.
Simple enough
Though I do believe there is another contributing factor. Namely, do we like the balance of our WR corps. It would be near impossible to add a larger WR if we keep all three of the Young Money crew. However, if we also value a more diverse set of talents, then that could also contribute to the decision of whether or not to tag him, beyond any isolated, cost-benefit analysis.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
They would have to address WR
in the draft. The good news, is that this years WR class is deep. In addition to the extra first round pick, the Steelers could also use the cash they would have used on Wallace, to go after a Guard, NT, ILB, etc. That means one less position to address in the draft, which would allow them to use two picks on the WR position. They probably won’t be able to find another Mike Wallace, but there is a good chance that they can find a Victor Cruz.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Or use the pick to take a bigger WR that might fall
say Alshon Jeffrey or Michael Floyd, while using the additional funds from not paying Wallace to, yes, address Guard or ILB, maybe someone like Larry Grant.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
Every pick runs the risk of failure.
Then why draft at all? Why not trade all of the Steelers draft picks to other teams, in exchange for proven players?
Every decision has risks. Sure, there is always the possibility that a draft pick may not pan out, just like there is the possibility that Wallace could get hurt, after being franchised. Ultimately, you have to trust that the decision makers, and talent evaluators know what they are doing.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
I think you misread the tagline. Fall, not fail.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
LOL!
I guess I did. Sorry about that.
I don’t even thing the Steelers would have to take a WR in the first round. They could hold off, and get a guy like Muhamed Sanu in the second round, and Brian Quick in the third, or fourth. That would give them two athletic WR’s, with great hands, who are both in the 6’2" – 6’5" range.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
No problem
But yeah, exactly my point. And as I said below, if we are less reliant as an offense on the deep pass, then having WRs able to run all the routes we need would be more important.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
Agreed
I would have no problem, if the Steelers WR corps looked more like the Giants WR’s.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Seems more balanced
And even the big guy occasionally gets deeper, but on scheme instead of pure speed.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
But that's just it...
If you’re saying this is a great WR draft, which I agree, then ever other “interested” team can address WR the same way the Steelers could
If we let Wallace go. Just saying, teams have to say they are ok paying mega money, losing that 1st round draft, and assuming they
Can’t find a good WR in the draft for cheap.
by Nate36bus on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clear example
of the sports media creating news rather then reporting it… personally, I wouldnt object to Mikes departing..We’ve had a knack at finding rec. talent…. seems to me there are a large group of receivers over valued hitting the market. Another 1st round pick would do worlds of good in this yrs drafting scheme and offer a variety of trade up, sideways, back options, with the bonus of signing 1st yr salaries over Mikes 30 mill? eventual contract.. and also with luck add 3-4 bonifide starters to the roster…
Frees up two picks
If the Steelers don’t have to pay Wallace, that would free up money that could be used to address a need through free agency. If the Steelers can get a Guard, NT, or ILB in the free agent market, that would be one less position they would need to address through the draft.
I don’t know if the Steelers can find a WR in the draft who can replace Wallace, but I do think that they can find two quality WR’s, who’s collectively, can produce more than Wallace.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome to sports media
…sports media creating news rather then reporting it
People love speculation. They buy it, talk about it, breed their own and look for more.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know what that is..
…but it sounds like one of those ESPN shows that promotes shouting and the use of social media
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
It’s the film tape, from the camera above the field, that the teams use to analyze the game. You can get a few clips on NFL.com – it’s the one that commentators on the nfl network use to break down a game – It’s the view of all 22 players (hence, All 22) at once.
Read this : What the NFL Won’t Show You
“…Bill Parcells, “‘I don’t think you can get a full understanding without watching the entirety of the game,’ The zoomed-in footage on TV broadcasts, he says, only shows a ‘fragment’ of what happens on the field.”
I’m surprised you don’t know what it is…?
Makes sense, I’ve always heard 11×11 (“eleven by eleven”, the “eleven on eleven” or “the 11s”).
Sorry, your comment seemed out of place, my comment was in regards to the use of speculation as the basis of reporting this time of year.
I won’t comment on my access to said film, because I’ll be accused of “making stuff up” again, but guys who coach together generally help each other out. It’s doubly true when one coach worked for another without being paid.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
You spoke like you had access. Yeah, I guess my question was a bit out of place. I thought all 22 was difficult to get, if not impossible considering how the NFL protects its content. . But I guess you have friends that, you know….wink wink….nod nod…….
Not trying to be antagonistic, but what you replied to has nothing at all to do with film. I think I mentioned something like it in another comment here, but it’s not the one you replied to.
They protect it quite heavily, but exchange it among themselves all the time. They don’t care if you eat the candy in the store, but you can’t leave the store with it. If it gets published or posted online, I’m fairly certain they will find you and destroy you.
It’s not always the top-of-the-stadium view, either, lots of times it’s from the uprights, or it’s diagonal from the edge of the press box (a rule which Mr. Belichick made well known).
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
And so what is kinda funny is that all these forums and websites are fueling conversation, clicks, and advertising because we simply can’t see what is going on the field. When if we all had access, what is speculation from a flat view turns into a whole lot of people who have no need for analysts and commentators found on nfl.com, espn or si, because it’s right there for all to see.
The article is a great read….
Ok, I get where you’re coming from now.
We may not be able to grasp 100 percent of everything that’s going on from one play to the next, but we don’t need the all 22 shot to see Mike Wallace is a pretty important player on the Steelers, do we? I would disagree that the game itself is shrouded in secrecy because fans can’t see 13+ yards into the secondary.
My experience is even if the average fan (not us on here) saw the wide camera angle, they’d still miss out on what exactly happened on a given play. There’s a lot to see and it’s all moving really fast, we just assume it’s at normal speed. Even if we see the defensive secondary at all times, we still can miss what happened in the trenches, or what linebacker moved where at what point. It’s hard to do.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Not everything I say here is cynical, sarcastic, or meant to ruffle feathers.
Read the article. It explains it better than I can, but suffice it to say that if I could see all 22 after games, or even during, I might have vastly different opinions on athletic ability, play calling and coaching.
I getcha, no worries
I think you’re being a bit too harsh, and as you seem like a reasonably-minded, intelligent fan of the game of football, I think you see more than Coach Parcells (hero of mine) suggests.
The difference is, when you watch a ton of film (I’ve spent 10 hours a day for weeks at a time doing nothing but watching film in college) you start to see much more of what’s really happening, instead of letting what you think is happening cloud your vision.
A good buddy of mine (and a helluva good football coach) told me, it’s not what you know, it’s what you see. You learn to really see the more you watch it, and you start to see the game is far more intricate than just taking it play-by-play. You gotta break down each position, and see each player’s intentions to really figure out where the blame lays.
That’s why I don’t blame Arians as a playcaller as much as a game manager, despite many others being radically against his plans. His players failed to execute many times in many situations. A lot of those failures are reasons why he threw the ball as often as he did. That piece of it is on them, but if he can’t make them execute, we need to find someone who can.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Neal
When the refs are reviewing playsthat are challenged do they use the overhead view too. Im just curious.
keiselsbeard
I would say no, because that film is way too far away, but then again, it would explain an awful lot (see: Giants at Packers, NFC Divisional Playoffs, Jan. 2012).
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take the risk and the 1st round pick
Look at what Colbert does with 1st round picks. He drafts solid starters/pro bowlers.
I love what Wallace brings and I very much hope he’s with the team for a long time. However, if Colbert gets and extra first rounder?
Adding 2 1st round talents to the team will go a long way to improving the areas of weakness of the team. Right now WR is loaded. O-line is coming along but still weak. ILB is thin. CBs area always helpful. Hell a talented TE would be interesting. Or a RB that’s fallen in the draft.
I feel like we often over look how helpful 1st round picks are for the steelers.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 21, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions
Let’s assume Wallace leaves and they get, I dunno, the 27th overall pick.
At the start of free agency, they would have three receivers on the roster, Brown, Sanders and Ward. Brown’s a great player, but he’s produced in only one season. Sanders has been hurt quite a bit, given the limited amount of time he’s been in the league and Ward could very well tell the team to go bleep themselves and go somewhere else. We’d have two receivers on the roster with a new offensive coordinator, and a combined four years of experience at that position.
I don’t like the sound of that, even with the possible return of Jerricho Cotchery and his 16 catches from last year. Still need to sign a few guys, or play mid-round rookies. Those kinds of things aren’t conducive to a championship team.
Just my $0.02
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely need to sign more guys
Or also give a bigger role to the TEs to fill the gaps, facilitated by improving the pass protection by drafting a Guard.
I recall the year we drafted Mendenhall and Sweed (unfortunate example, in retrospect), but Tomlin was asked how he could afford not to draft OL. He responded there are two ways to improve pass protection: (1) directly by drafting OL; (2) by drafting guys that could get open more quickly. Similarly, we either replace Wallace directly or re-organize our offense to better accommodate our other strengths.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
I think utilizing RBs as receivers, which Haley has done recently, adds to that as well. Arians coached Ben to make plays down the field, Haley’s offense in KC, when there weren’t great playmakers in the receiving corps (I know Dwayne Bowe is a great receiver, but he’s not the playmaker Wallace or Brown are), he utilized backs in more roles than just blocking and releasing. Having them run a set pattern off the snap gives them the advantage of matching them up with a linebacker. A good enough back makes the backer miss, which leads to a 15 yard play.
That will help, but when the rubber meets the road, a dude like Wallace terrifies defenses. Unfortunately, that pushes his salary up.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely true
but then, if we are not so reliant on the deep pass, and instead utilize it every so often while attacking the defense underneath, then Wallace’s value drops if he struggles to run those routes.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
If we were playing Fantasy Football, yeah, I’d agree with you. He still can go deep, and it’s not as if they won’t have situations in mind where they’ll send him, but in my mind, a higher percentage in fewer opportunities is what they should be aiming for.
They hit a few last season, but they went for way more. Ben missed more than a few, especially in the second half of the year. Wallace can be a catch-and-run guy if they get him some space. He shows that on the end-arounds he ran last year (as much as I hate that crap, it worked here and there).
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
True
My mind was being selective; I just remembered him catching some short outs and going the distance.
"It's football the way it's meant to be played. That's who Pittsburgh is, and that's who Pittsburgh has always been."
-- so says Rex Ryan.
Right, I just mean his highest and best use is and always will be the fly route. He doesn’t need to catch five of those a game to be a huge factor. One, maybe two, and sometimes, just the threat of him doing it will open things up everywhere else.
A guy doesn’t have to physically run with him to be in coverage with him. So much as a look in his direction is enough for a play to happen, especially when you set the defender up for it. Look at Michael Griffin, someone I thought was a pretty damn good safety for Tennessee. Wallace was in his head the entire game, and Wallace only had one catch, when the game was over.
It’s not a coincidence it was the Steelers’ best running performance of the year, either.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
sweed
whatever happened to him? I remember him being put on the IR , I think that actually happened 2 consecutive seasons. I havnt heard his name in quite a while other than on this site a couple of times
keiselsbeard
Released in training camp
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by barnerburner on Feb 21, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
But we don't need to be a team with 3 great wide outs
If we can improve the running game, or play short ball more efficiently it doesn’t matter as much. I’m just all for keeping a balanced approach.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 22, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Please belive this post
and dont franchise Wallace and let him go to FA. I would love for my Bengals to steal him. Its all we talk about on our site. Dont belive we are not willing to pay for him, who wouldnt be
the Bengals won't sign Wallace
the salary floor kicks in for the 2013 season. This is the last opportunity Mike Brown will have, to hoard cash, instead of investing money into his football team.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't the minimum you can spend like 98%?
I know there are other ways of hoarding, but that new CBA rule seems too tight a window.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
I think it's 90%
but the floor doesn’t kick in until the 2013 season. Owners can be as cheap as they want this year.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 21, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Fair enough!
He won’t be a free agent though, he’s still restricted. You can pay him, that’s true, but you guys love your draft picks, and seem to have an aversion to free agents without massive baggage and/or low price tags.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
No, you’re right, it’s definitely a good counter to my argument. How would they convince their veterans to stay if they aren’t willing to try to improve their team?
Gresham, Green and Wallace…that makes me sick. Really.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Aswell as Mike Brown has proven to put up some big money in the FA before
like Antonio Bryant. It just didnt work out for us. But everyone in Cincy is talking about it. We belive M Brown is finnally using his brains after getting rid of Palmer and Ocho. Maybe now we can finnally win a playoff game.
LOL ahhh….forgot about Antonio Bryant. That was epic, $8 million and he didn’t play a snap. Not saying you could have seen that, but wow…what a complete disaster.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Probably get blasted for this.. oh well... here's my opinion
I have just started to follow this story.. and here’s what I think. As much as I love Hines Ward, I really think it’s time for him to go (retire)… the past couple of years he hasn’t been up to his potential. Hell, after Ray Lewis knocked him out, the rest of his season was pretty much over. He only was included in a handful of plays. Yes, he’s a good blocker, but is that really enough? Keep in mind I don’t want Hines going to another team. I would love to see him go out as a Steeler, but honestly, do you want him on the sidelines in the shell of a player he used to be? I don’t want him to be labeled as “washed up”. The younger WRs can run circles around him. If he would come back for less, that would be okay. But he won’t be around for many more seasons anyway, this will be his 14th season. The staff needs to look ahead in the future of the team, as in Wallace and Brown. Even Cotchery outplayed Hines. I love him and respect the hell out of him, but he has to know that he isn’t what he used to be and he isn’t going to be happy playing in 2-3 plays a game, if that.
Like I said, that’s just my opinion. Try not to hate on me too much lol. :)
Due to our cap situation,
it will be impossible to franchise Wallace, whether we’d like to or not. It will be hard enough to get to the 2.7 under the cap just to RFA him. Having said all that, i think we get there and noone will bite on the first round price to steal him. There are alot of WR’s that are hitting the streets as UFA’s and of course the draft for other teams to sort out their WR needs.
At that point, i hope we sign him to a decent long-term deal. Something along the 4 year 28 million deal Greg Jennings has.
you know you can just make that your signature
that way it shows up every time you post :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 21, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
much more fun his way.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
good point
and it probably just feels good typing it out
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 22, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Be proactive and trade him
The Steelers need to be proactive and Trade Mike Wallace before the end of the combine. I’d rather sign Brown long term extension now.
by jollyrob68 on Feb 21, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wallace
The idea that it is worth it to get a 1st rounder and not pay Wallace top receiver money is absurd on its face. I don’t know why so many people entertain it when the 1st rounder has never played a down in the NFL while Wallace is a 26 year old entering his 4th season. In three seasons, football outsiders has him as a top 20 receiver, number 1 receiver and top 5 receiver. In 2010, he was particularly spectacular.
GP G R T CP YDs TD YPC DYAR Ra YAR Ra DVOA Ra VOA Ra
2010 PIT WR 16 16 60 98 61% 1257 10 21.0 457 1 444 1 48.8% 1 47.1% 1
2009 PIT WR 16 4 39 72 54% 756 6 19.4 232 16 224 17 29.6% 4 28.2% 5
Those are his first two years numbers. In 2011 he was,
DYAR Ra YAR Ra DVOA Ra VOA Passes Yds Eff Yds TDS CP Fu
M.Wallace PIT 410 5 386 6 32.2% 8 29.5% 114 1193 1,349 8 63% 1
A.Brown PIT 214 20 194 23 10.2% 34 8.0% 124 1108 1,079 2 56% 0
Even with fewer throws his way Wallace was way more effective than Brown was. Wallace can only do so much. Someone has to throw him the ball. Brown is a good receiver, but he is no Mike Wallace. He is not just a one trick pony. KC Joyner broke down his stats by route level over the past two years, which showed that he was greatly effective on short and intermediate routes. I believe he posted a higher YPC on short throws than any other player last year. And the guy will likely continue to improve.
I have reviewed the advanced statistics and I find them to be credible. If you find a flaw, feel free to let everyone know. As it stands, the numbers support Wallace, even with his occasional wrong routes, not fighting for the ball or trying the Willie Mays catch.
I don’t know why so many people entertain it when the 1st rounder has never played a down in the NFL while Wallace is a 26 year old entering his 4th season.
It may not be “our” notion to entertain. At its root, though, it’s simple, the Steelers have massive salary cap issues and any first rounder we’d get this season will make maybe 10 percent of what he could get.
No one doubts Wallace’s ability, and no one’s gonna argue with your statistics, but you’re leaving out data that includes the salary cap, which is the real reason the discussion even exists.
p.s. Wallace probably had better stats on “short” routes because he took one against Carolina (worst defense in the NFL in 2010) like 80 yards on a short hitch, and, if I remember correctly, two big ones against Cleveland (also a poor defense in 2010) around that same amount.
People’s main arguments against him is he can’t fight for balls in the air, isn’t physical and is basically invisible in the red zone. I think you have to combine what you’re saying with a lot of what other people are saying to get the full picture on him. That being said, I think the Steelers need to keep him, but aren’t as sure as I used to be that will be possible.
I understand the salary cap implications
If the Steelers cannot fit him under their cap without gutting the team, then there is nothing to be done. But, they probably can do that. The guys who may need to be cut are guys who are older and less effective right now.
You cannot take Wallace’s big plays from him regardless of who he played while taking into account his plays where he does not fight for balls. Wallace is what his body of work says he is. Other teams WRs are not taking the ball to the house on short routes against bad defenses as frequently as he is.
Wallace makes mistakes, but other elite receivers make mistakes too. Other receivers drop balls or run the wrong routes. Larry Fitzgerald can catch anything within a 12 ft radius and Calvin Johnson can fight through triple teams, and Andre Johnson can throw guys to the ground with one arm, but they can’t blow the top off a D like Wallace can or take a slant or WR screen to the house through defenders like he can. All receivers have strengths and weaknesses.
I think he is a must sign. He is exactly the type of big play receiver that the Steelers offense with Ben R at QB needs.
you forgot one or two
Greg Jennings takes it to the house , he isnt big like the johnsons but he gets it done, (of course he gets 28 million over 4 years) .
keiselsbeard
Jennings
He is up there. I would put him in my top 5 with those guys and Wallace. I am interested to see if Jordy Nelson and Victor Cruz can keep it up because they had outstanding years.
Still can’t get over how the Packers got Nelson to sign that contract. I swear Ted Thompson’s got photos of him in a compromising position or something.
Four years, $13 million is beyond ridiculous for probably one of the top five all-around receivers in the game (look at his numbers when Jennings was out this year). Not a route that dude can’t run, great speed, great power, great hands, great balance…honestly, he’s just as complete a receiver as any other, he’s just not 6-foot-5. He’s only 6-foot-2 or whatever.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe everyone isn't driven by money
I know I’d be happy with 4 years 13 million, just sayin :)
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 22, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Its not the 70's anymore
those days are long gone
I don’t know man, if you had that 13 million, but then you found out you could have had 26 million, you’re saying it wouldn’t bother you? It’s like losing a winning lottery ticket. When your career is over the same time most people are about 1/3rd a way up the ladder, it’s a good idea to cash in the best you can.
One likes to believe in the freedom of music. But glittering prizes and endless compromises, shatter the illusion of integrity.
Nah it wouldn't bother me at all
I understand the cash in concept but i’m content with what I have now. If I had 13 million over 4 years I wouldn’t know what to do with the money, probably end up giving some away or at least have a trust fund for my kids.
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I get you
I could meet my lifetime needs for much less than a million. I could set up my kids for another million (they can earn the rest). After that it is matter of funding projects I would like to see accomplished and charities that I want to help out. I could easily spend a few hundred million in my home province without exhausting all the possibilities but for myself, I really don’t want or need all that much.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 24, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace is not a must sign.....
under the franchise tag of $9.4 million. There is no way the Steelers can franchise him anyway, and those that think they will get far enough under the cap to do so are not looking at things realisitcally!
They only recourse they have is to place a 1st round tender on him, and hope he accepts and offer that is considerably less that the tag would have been. And for all the reasons you went through in your orginal reply, that is why I feel so strongly that some team, any team, one team will sign him to something the Steelers will not be able to match. My hope is it is someone from the NFC, someone like San Fran or maybe Tampa (no rumors on that, they are just so ridiculously under the cap they could sign a ton of FAs).
That touches into new territory
Let’s say Tampa does completely go insane, and offers Wallace five years, $50 million, $35 million guaranteed in the first two seasons.
The Steelers get the fifth pick in the draft. Personally, I’d prefer Minnesota or St. Louis doing it (I don’t consider Indianapolis even being on the clock, Luck is already there working out as far as I’m concerned, the draft starts at No. 2), then we could get Griffin to the NFC (Washington), take their first and second, and really start to build something.
It would suck to lose Wallace, but it wouldn’t be our fault the team didn’t plan $35 million guaranteed over the next two years for him. They can have him at that price.
Yes, I understand you weren’t suggesting Tampa as a realistic suitor, it’s just fun to think about.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
How bout' giving up our 2nd rounder for cash considerations
"You take your first bite of a McDonald's burger and it's like 'Why did I buy this?'" -Tim Lincecum -
Worse case scenario, they lose Wallace. It's happened before with Plaxico and Santonio. I'm sure they'd eventually be OK.
I don’t think it’s going to happen, though, because their recent record of signing guys in their prime has been pretty good.
Must sign Wallace
If the Steelers don’t sign Wallace they are stupid. Ben is gladly extend his deal to make it more cap friendly, especially if it means he can keep Wallace. Sign him ASAP.
Mendenhall
How about we let him go to clear up some space…next year is his contract year too and hes coming back from a ACL tear that we have already said he may not return from next season
by ShamrockSteeler on Feb 22, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions
Salary cap question....
Can anyone tell me if the salary cap is in anyway connected to the revenue the NFL makes. I’m trying to understand who and how this cap is set.
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If I understand it correctly, the cap is based primarily on the television revenue the League expects to collect. There may be other sources of revenue that’s counted,but I think the TV money is the largest single chunk, by far. They calculate the cap based off of that revenue, and come up with an equal number all teams must abide by. And I think starting in 2013, the new CBA will require a floor amount, setting an absolute minimum teams must spend as well.
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by PaVaSteeler on Feb 23, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think Wallace will be gone
He has already expressed his opinion for playing for San Fran and the Patriots. He said that his heart will be always be in Pittsburgh, but I have to do what I have to do. That is pretty much writing on the wall. He feels he should be paid as a top receiver and I think he will seek whoever is going to pay that.
Whatever will be will be
I believe that this is lining up to be another Plaxico storyline and so be it.
While I agree with most of the theorizing regarding “smokescreen” activities on the part of AFC teams I do have a slightly different take on the position of teams with tons of cap space. Namely, the Bengals. While it is more than abundantly accurate about their oweners prior MO to spend or rather not to…there is/was a new little wrinkle to the latest NFL contract witht he players union. Unless, it was cut out, and I do not believe that it was, all teams are now required to spend within a minimum range of the salary cap. So the Bengals must payout more of their budget than they have done so previously. I believe that the real question is Do the Bengals believe they really need or would like, at the likely “price” for Wallace, a “take the top off” receiver to complement AJ.? They do have the where-with-all , as well as a compelling need to spend more than normal.
I Love Wallace but.....
The NFL is not the same as it was 10-20 years ago when a premium was placed on high quality RBs and WRs in the draft. QBs will always be the marquee position, but it’s not so difficult to find a hidden gem in the draft at WR (or RB) position. Welker (undrafted), Brown (6th round) and Sanders (3rd round) are great examples. Sure, they showed flashes, but no one really expected them to be the players they’ve become. Ben has already lost two top receivers (Burress and Holmes) and there have always been players to step up. I’d love for the Steelers to keep Wallace, but not at a cost that will handcuff them from improving the OL, DL and CBs.
Our CBs are fine.
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though
we could use some Safety depth
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by stillergorillar on Feb 24, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
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