Would you mind losing Wallace if....
by LayTheWOODley on Feb 22, 2012 4:39 PM EST
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LE: Hood (Heyward on Passing Downs)
RE: Kiesel
NT: Poe (McLendon or Hood on Passing Downs)
LOLB: Woodley
ILB: Hightower and Timmons
ROLB: Harrison
CB: Ike & K. Lewis (C. Brown as NIckeback & C. Allen as Dimeback)
FS: Clark
SS: Troy
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I don’t really like Hightower though…
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Me either
he stole my cookies last summer, big jerk.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Looks good on paper
But in the end, I personally don’t like giving up a proven commodity for speculation (a draft pick).
How about Poe and Cordy Glenn/Mike Adams instead. Or use the additional 1st round pick in a trade.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Feb 22, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions
not necessarily agreeing with the players you picked
but if we get 2 starters from the 2 #1 picks and still can pick up a WR later in the draft then I’d be fine with that.
Personally, I’d like to see at least one of those picks go to the OL instead of having 3 #1 picks on our D-line and 1 first rounder on the entire OL.
I'd take that-
then take OL in the 2nd and 3rd. Mix in a tall WR in the mid-rounds and a K at the end, and we’d look the part. Just hope they all pan out. Paging Ziggy Hood…
Trade up.....
Use the 24th and the 30th picks to trade up with Arizona/Seattle/Buffalo and select DeCastro. If he turns out the way everyone is projecting, he will be a dominate OL immediately. We need to solidify the middle of the line, after the revolving door at LG and having to watch Kemo over the years, how I would love to see someone…. well, I’m sure we all have those same feelings.
Last time we traded up to get a can’t miss prospect we nabbed Troy, that worked out really well for us.
we actually traded up for holmes also
id say an equally successful trade, considering he brought us #6.
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 22, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
No way!
Keep those 2 first rounders, then package the 2nd rounder to move up in the second round and get someone who is first round talent but slipped.
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Hampton started week 1
2 probably never.
by Steely McSmash on Feb 23, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think the thought process is
that Poe being a NT could follow in Hamptons shadow and start week1 like hampton did.
And Hightower already knows the 3-4 so the learning curve isn’t steep for him.
I don’t know how true this is but I know thats the thought process.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
POE and decastro
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No one is giving up a top 15 pick for Wallace
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by John Stephens on Feb 22, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Bengals at 21
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 22, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose this is the fan in me
But why not? (The is rhetorical, I get it). If you are going to spend a top-15 pick on a WR (some mocks have 3 going in the top 15), then why wouldn’t you take the proven commodity. We all know rookies can implode, why not take a top-5 WR instead of hoping the guy you are drafting turns into one in a few years. Teams like the Rams and Vikings have their quarterbacks, but are looking to get weapons around them.
Again, I understand why, but if I were the GM of the Rams, and I intended on taking Blackmon, I would probably be willing to give Mike Wallace a go instead.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 23, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
These are the reasons I don' think he's worth a top 15 pick
(or 8+ million a year)
- He’s 6 feet tall and not big bodied. That really eliminates him as a huge RZ threat IMO.
- Did teams figure him out in the second half of the season? His numbers looked a lot better in the beginning of the season than the end.
- He still doesn’t catch a lot of intermediate and short stuff, albeit this was definitely improved from his sophomore year. It seemed to me that Brown was the goto guy on 3rd down passes and not Wallace.
- He had quite his share of drops last season.
- He’s not an excellent blocker.
I love what Wallace is, I just don’t think he’s worth a top 15 pick or a pile of money.
I think you are being a just a tad homeristic to believe that Wallace is worth the 2nd pick of the draft. Though, the Rams would be crazy not to take Kalil.
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I just mean, WR is a coveted position
Two of the last 3 drafts have had 2 WR’s drafted in the first 10 picks.
2011: Julio Jones, AJ Green
2009: Darius Heyward-Bay, Michael Crabtree
Crabtree was a “can’t miss” prospect, AJ Green & Julio Jones have produced one year with less stats than Wallace did this year. Why is it worth drafting an unknown and ending up with Crabtree over getting Wallace.
I agree with you that Wallace isn’t worth it to a team like the Steelers, but look how much the Redskins paid Antwaan Randle El.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 23, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about potential
The ceiling for those guys is potentially higher than Wallace. They’ve got height, size, and in some cases crazy athleticism. Blackmon could be the next Crabtree or he could be the next Calvin Johnson. There’s no way of telling. What I can see is we know what Wallace is. A very fast guy, with average route running, average hands, and a small stature. In reality, you can only improve on the routes significantly. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a WR get dramatically better at catching or put on a size.
I just don’t see the value there for any team to risk their first that’s in the top 15.
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you John
I’m just saying that for me, I don’t take the risk. Take the 4th year guy who already is a pro-bowler. Doesn’t have the upside, but if you aren’t a bad team, (ie Rams), but you just are missing obvious pieces, go for broke, and don’t risk it.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 23, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well, maybe 2 years ago I could see it, when there wasn’t a rookie pay scale. But now, you get the potential and a much cheaper contract.
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think that is probably the strongest incentive
But I would rather have Wallace over Blackmon in this draft. What is the going rate going to be for a top-5 pick, do we know that yet?
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 23, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Cam Newton – 22/4 = 5.5/yr
Von Miller – 21/4 = 5.25/yr
Marcell Dareus 20.4/4 = 5.1/yr
AJ Green 19.6/4 = 4.9/yr
Patrick Peterson = 18.5/4 = 4.6/yr
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
But can you imagine the negotiating leverage Wallace’s agent would have if a team burned a top-15 pick to grab him? “Well you apparently think he’s better than anyone you could have drafted first that year, sooooo…”
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
Blackmon is closer to Crabtree than anything
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 23, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
He could be. We won’t know until he straps up and runs some routes though.
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree with all points
now how to sign him for the price all this equals, cause it’s not 9.4mil. 5 maybe.
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no way
I’d take Blackmon and his superstar potential over Wallace 8 days a week this offseason. Obviously I could end up being wrong, and Wallace could torch for another 10 years and Blackmon could get arrested for murder in August, but the potential is there for Blackmon to be a nightmare as a WR, whereas Wallace will always be what he is, even if he improves a little.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
I’d take Blackmon and his superstar potential over Wallace
As would I. I don’t care what anyone says about any deficiencies he may have, if he’s not a super star, I’ll be shocked. I really hope Cleveland doesn’t take him and ruin yet another promising career.
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you never know..........
maybe the vikings will have a flashback to the early 90’s draft. (sold the house for Hershel Walker).
Poe and Sanu in the first
I’d be stoked with that.
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Poe and Jeffery
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 22, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Jeffery
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by John Stephens on Feb 22, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Me neither
He never seemed to really separate and he opted out of running a 40 this weekend, so he’s as afraid of his 40 time as I am apparently.
"And, don’t get me started on Joe Flacco," Simms continued. "Did the experts watch the game? Joe didn’t miss a throw, not one. I watched every play. Every time he had the opportunity, he hit the guy. And, he made some moves so he could complete other throws. Are these people watching? What was Joe supposed to do with Texans in his face? Throw it up and hope? Sometimes a sack is a good thing. The object is to win the game. You did."
I like it.
Had hoped to hang to to Wallace, seems like a good character guy, to go with play on the field. But if not in the cards, getting high quality G, NG, ILB early would be awesome. Being good every year means picking low, and extra first would do a lot. Steelers rarely blow those picks.
I thought that at first
But I think it’s this year
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
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If the Steelers do not sign Mike Wallace to a long-term deal, and if they put a first-round tender on him as a restricted free agent, and if another team presents Wallace with an offer sheet that he likes enough to sign, and if the Steelers decide not to match that offer sheet to keep him, then the Steelers would receive the team’s No. 1 pick in the 2012 draft. In the event a team has more than one No. 1 pick in this draft, the Steelers would get that team’s original pick.
So, they’d add another first round pick into the draft?
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by John Stephens on Feb 24, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
No
but in the case of a team that already has 2 picks (one via trade), the Steelers would get that teams normal slotted first round pick based on how they finished 2011.
So if you don’t have a 1st round pick, you can’t sign him?
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by John Stephens on Feb 24, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Do Poe and Hightower actually make our D faster?
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How does a NT ever make a defense faster?
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 23, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
What?
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 23, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Poe is definitely faster than Hampton.
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by John Stephens on Feb 23, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Like it
maybe even go both sides of the ball and pick up Poe and then Decastro, Glenn or Zeitler, one of these guards. I think that would be great. We can find another sleeper receiver in the draft later. They have hit on the last couple, nothing says they cant again.
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Speculation is Great, however
Wallace isn’t going anywhere, Rooney publicily stated that he is a prioritiy and thus he will get signed at the expense of Farrior, Foote, Smith, Hampton, Kemo, Gay, Hines, and Scott. I would let those preceeding walk to sign Mike Wallace. Wallace does have needed improvement. Adjusting to balls in the air, running quick routes, breaking tackles for extra yards ( I don’t know who;s easier to tackle him or Mendenhall).
Update
After reviewing the fast players available in the draft, there actually better WR’s than Mike Wallace in this draft. These guys are running 4.35 and below. Imagine a Kendall Wright with one of our 1st Round Picks, he has a 46" vertical and runs just as fast as Mike and comes back to the football when it’s underthrown. His YAC is also much better.
this
I love Wright, is skill after the catch is insane
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by stillergorillar on Feb 24, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Money saved
by not having to pay Wallace, could be used to sign a free agent, resulting in one less “need” on draft day. For example, the Steelers could sign a FA Guard, then draft a NT and ILB in the first round, which would allow them to use the rest of the draft to upgrade other positions.
Another option, would be to use some of the Wallace savings to add a reasonably priced RB, such as Mike Tolbert.
don't want to lose Wallace
I like our WRs and want to keep them together for a few years.
we can find good D in the draft besides the 1st round. we have proven it year in and out.
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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 23, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions
Defensive players don't usually start right away in the LeBeau system
Keep that in mind in your deliberations. Personally, I don’t think any rookie is worth trading a high value, proven commodity in the person of Wallace. I suggest you find another way.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Feb 23, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions
bizarre...
…how some folks are determined to convince themselves that Wallace is such an average receiver. I would like to see one person who would have let him get away at the halfway mark of the season. And did anyone see his touchdown against Cincy at home? How many tackles did he break? And did Antonio Brown become magically a pro bowl player in the second half of the season, or was he that good all along, and defenses focusing on #17 freed him up? Also, how many long ball stinkers did #7 throw his way in the 2nd half of the season? I wouldn’t choose b/t Brown and Wallace, but we don’t have to. It makes zero sense to start over by blowing a high round pick on a receiver and then seeing if he can learn the system and contribute. Furthermore, I like Sanders but the keen observer will notice that he is possibly made of glass. Not a guy to depend on yet. And another thing, the talk of trying to find a big receiver in the draft while saying we should let Wesleye Saunders go is asinine. That guy is a steal for us. But now I’m just ranting.
The problem is, for every positive you can bring up, there is a negative or two to balance it out. He is good, and was a steal, but he’s not worth 6-10 million a year. Receivers getting that kind of money do it all
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Well, EVERYONE is learning a new system THIS year.
probably the best possible time to make the move. Who said Saunders should go? Never heard any follow up on his suspension though…
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by MDSTEELERSFAN on Feb 27, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
and another thing
…you can’t let both Foote and Farrior go if you draft Hightower (though I think he would be good pick). Keith Butler hates rookies, especially at the mack.
Sly isn't a rookie anymore
and I have a feeling the coaches will be “encouraged” to play the youth more this year… seeing how they have to get rid of some of the old guys for cap space.
The amount of money they’ve poured into the LB corps is crazy compared to what the team did historically. It used to be common place for them to drop a LB when he became expensive and plug in a new “who is this guy” and keep going. I wasn’t upset they signed Woodley and Timmons, but I was surprised.
More teams going 3-4
Means there is more demand for the players that fit a 3-4 defence. The Steelers may feel they can’t depend on getting those players in draft as easily as they did in the past. When no one else wants the same talent pool it is easy to get the best players.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 25, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure it matters-
what Keith Butler would prefer, salary cap issues and age have us vulnerable in the middle. Every coordinator/coach would love to have experience in the lineup over a rookie, but i’m not sure it’s realistic this season. We’ll see!
Mike Wallace
We need Mike Wallace. He is excellent so we need to keep him. He is a Steeler person and we should do everything in our power to keep him.
IF u lose him
SF would make the most seane because all they need is a num 1 speed WR type
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