2012 NFL Scouting Combine: Linebackers and Defensive Linemen Take the Stage
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 11:00 AM EST
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The Combine continues plowing away (see what I did there?), and today's participants in the Underwear Olympics are the linebackers and the defensive linemen.
If the combination of offensive linemen and tight ends (Saturday) and the wide receivers and running backs (Sunday) was interesting, today will be downright riveting.
Lots of potential impact players will be identified today, and both figure to be priority positions for the Steelers in the upcoming draft.
We get to set our sights on a duo of inside/middle linebackers, Dont'a Hightower and Vontaze Burfict, as well as one hulking nose tackle from Memphis, Dontari Poe.
The Steelers are likely to speak with all three of these players, if they have not yet already done so. But more than anything, this is really the time to identify middle and later round picks.
You know the drill by now; if you see a guy you like, mention it in the comments, keep the discussion going. If there are some of interest to you, we've got our own Seton Hall and Steelers working to line up interviews to run in the very near future, so throw out some names, see if he can track them down.
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Group 8 (with Poe)
Is about to run
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Since I'm in Nashville
I’m volunteering (no Tennessee pun intended) to make the short but scenic drive to Memphis and deliver Mr. Poe to his new home in Pittsburgh. Just sayin.
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Amazing day for him. Time for Casey to accept the thanks for the fine job that he did here and make room for his successor.
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by PaVaSteeler on Feb 27, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Poe just ran a 4.87
holy crap
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Who will take him?
Serious question? I wouldn’t mind an quick analysis of 3-4 teams before us in the draft who need a NT. I would like to see what their other needs are and who they may take instead.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think with the numbers he's posting today
some team with dreams of him being the next Ngata will snatch him up because they are going to place him higher on their boards. I could be wrong, but I’m a firm believer that football coaches necessarily have huge egos and believe they can “coach up” anyone, so long as he has the right amount of talent and potential. At his size, and with his considerable talent, he can play anywhere on the D-line.
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It depends
The teams with 3-4 defences drafting ahead of us have greater needs at other positions. Poe is still so raw, some teams with a lot of raw d-line, like the Chargers, may not feel ready to start another project until some of their other projects have developed a bit more.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
doesnt matter if its 3-4 or 4-3
he can play in either scheme, he has played both NT and DT, and with his athletic ability, going to be hard for teams to pass him up, especially when you use “BPA”.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
thanks, anyway.
I was hoping for a radio stream… much easier to get through the firewall we have in place. hope all is well with you
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Poe also benched 225 for 44 reps
that is amazing considering how long his arms are.
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his arms
are only 32" considering his chest looks about 16" thick he has some advantages.
Guy is a freak no doubt though
by Steely McSmash on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's some explosion
Has he done a vertical jump yet?
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Someone said he did
But I haven’t seen it
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
in the minority here
when i watch poe plaqy, i just don’t see it. i guess that’s why i’m not a pro football scout. he doesn’t lose his one on one assignments, but he also doesn’t dominate them. for someone that big and strong, i would expect to see some serious ass-kicking.
i’m not feeling it. just say no to poe.
by SamTheButcher on Feb 27, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree. I think he handles his 1on1s and doubles well. His problem is he loses technique and kind of gets sloppy while depending on his strength. Good coaching could turn him into an elite DT.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Agree.
We don’t really expect someone to walk in like Ngata at 27 years old. We should expect raw with upside and coachability as a 21/22 year old. Poe has the tools.
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 27, 2012 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Poe has the tools like....
Steven Tyler has LIPS.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Feb 27, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Nailed it
He’s raw as hell, and that’s the only reason we’ve got a chance for him to fall to 1.24. He needs to work on his hand technique a lot. But if he develops that, look out.
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if he had technique
we’d be looking at him like we are decastro right now
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
We just lost Poe.
Wow. That’s an insane time. All the talk about “if” and not wanting to draft someone who won’t play until 2013 (which I didn’t believe regarding Poe, anyway) are moot. He’s top 20 now unless he gets arrested between now and the draft.
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 27, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Po is making himself a lot of money with this combine.
He is Po’ no mo.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Feb 27, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
does Ben still have cop friends/body guards?
I’m not suggesting anything, ……just say’n.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made product that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
Poe is very raw still
A team that takes him will probably keep him on the bench for 90-95% of the snaps the first year, just giving him some time late in blow outs.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 28, 2012 6:23 AM EST up reply actions
Which makes me wonder
what they are planning to do at the beginning of the season. Colbert was so definite that Hampton would be back, and said he will be on PUP early in the season. Presumably anybody they draft is going to see some playing time at the beginning of the season, ready or not, unless they think McLendon is ready to be the man full-time.
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by Rebecca Rollett on Feb 28, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
McLendon starting
I expect to see McClendon start with Hood doing a regular rotation through all the d-line positions unless we can get another vet to provide back-up. The alternative is Hood as NT with McLendon doing the rotation. I expect Heyward to nail down DE.
However it works out, we will need another 2 d-line. I expect we will draft one and either promote someone from PS or sign a FA if there is someone cheap enough.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 28, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Poe
I want Poe more and more. I think he is the perfect person for us to draft. I like Hightower a lot, but Poe is scary good, and I imagine him eating centers alive.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 11:44 AM EST reply actions
Poe just needs to eat space, linemen and occupy.
I’m not sold on Hightower, I get a feeling he looked better than he was on that defense, and what you see is what you get, limited ceiling.
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by Fifty-Eight on Feb 27, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plus
a real explosive NT can extend Farrior’s and foote carrer another year
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
If farve can do it
then why not, plus its not like we can’t draft another position period in the draft, we do have 7 picks you know?
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 28, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
you know he played QB right?
two entirely different positions. standing in a pocket throwing the ball, handing off, occassionally scrambling, which he didnt do well at all his last couple years. This doesnt exactly equate to chasing down RBs, trying to cover RB’s and TE’s in pass coverage, getting hammered on every down by 300 pound lineman, etc etc. Yea, I do know that we have seven picks.
Yea I know
it was a little tongue in cheek
either way, we can still get a LB even if we don’t take one in the first round was my point :)
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 28, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I agree, my point is;
Farrior’s play has dropped dramatically the last couple of years, and people have to face the facts that he has to go, its inevitable. Yeah, Sylvester, rookie, etc are going to make mistakes, but that is the only way they are going to get better and progress. Farriors days of progressing are over. Sylvester made some mistakes and he was immediately taken out of the game and that was it. But, when Farrior continues to get toasted on pass down after pass down and his sideline to sideline pursuit has diminished and he misses tackes because of this, he doesnt get taken out of the game, only because he is a vet. But, in reality, the mistakes are the same with the two players and probably costs the team the same. Again, Sylvester, Rookie, etc has to be anaylzed over more than one game, if he continues game after game then something drastic has to be done.
I agree that Farrior time has come and gone
Just wish we had an extra pick in the top of the 2nd so we could get Zach Brown and be done with this.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 28, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
No on Poe
He played in conference USA and had only 18 tackles last year. With his body he should have dominated that level. Heck the penn state DT had like 17 TACLKES FOR LOSS. In big 10
Poe has bust written all over him in my eyes. Hope he goes early so we can get OG Glenn from GA
Because number of tackles is how you measure a NT’s skill, amirite?
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measure Ngata
107 tackles, 17.5 tackles for a loss, and 6.5 sacks total in the 2004 and 2005 seasons at Oregon.
by Steely McSmash on Feb 27, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
We’re not talking about Ngata, and I really don’t care what his stats were. My point was that you can’t measure a NT based on the number of tackles he gets.
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Yea
if thats the case Casey hampton sucked his whole career with a total of 197 tackles in 10 years. 19 tackles a season? terrible (sarcasm font)
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 28, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
OK but...
Would you rather measure him on bench press, 40 time, etc?
The guy is either a playmaker or not. First round pick should be a playmaker in my opinion. Stats aren’t everything, but neither are physical gifts.
He should have stood out in that conference and he didn’t.
you don’t use stats to measure NTs, you use game tap.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Feb 28, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
TO make an analogy
Memphis is as bad at football as New Jersey Institute of Technology is at basketball.
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 28, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
yup
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by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
There was very, very, very little around him
Memphis would’ve struggled to go .500 in 1-AA last year
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Hell yeah Devon Still, best DT in the nation last year
Given, stats aren’t that important.
But being 3rd team C-USA is notable
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by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Feb 27, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
kinda hard to get tackles when your being triple teamed all game….
by NoVAPensFan on Feb 28, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Nick Perry and Bruce Irvin
Are insanely fast, running a 4.5 and 4.43 unofficially. Both are in the 6’3, 250 range. I wonder if we’d go for either of them if available at 24. I could also see Green Bay trading up for either.
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I wouldn’t mind Perry but Irvin can go kick rocks. I wouldn’t even consider him until the third or fourth.
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Then you will miss out on him
He just moved himself into the second round with his work today
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll gladly miss out on someone who can’t cover or play the run.
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We didn't ask him to cover and he was a 234 lb DE at WVU
He now weighs 245, which is about 10 lbs heavier than Timmons, and ran a 4.5, about a tenth faster than Timmons. He looked good when they did coverage drills with the tweener guys in the DL group
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
We didn’t ask him to cover
Which means he probably can’t, at least not too well. And he still can’t play the run.
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False
West Virginia plays a 3-3-5 stack and Irvin was lined up as a DE. Also, he was by far their best pass rusher so asking him to cover from the DE spot would have been dumb. He seems to be capable of covering and looked very good in the drills
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Looking good in drills and actually covering on the field are not the same thing. But let’s pretend for a minute that he actually can cover. That still doesn’t change the fact that he isn’t great against the run and is probably going to be a pass-rushing specialist only. With that being said, I wouldn’t touch Maybin 2.0 until the third, maybe fourth round.
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you are so wrong with your comparison of him
that I am not even going to bother arguing with you
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really comparing him to Maybin, but if you disagree that he has a few Maybin-like qualities (not very strong or big, not great against the run, etc.) then you are insane. He is also basically limited to being a 3-4 OLB so that isn’t going to help his draft stock.
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He is not limited to 3-4 OLB
He can play ILB (MIke Mayock agrees with me BTW)
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt anyone is going to draft a pass rushing specialist to play ILB. I was saying that he most likely won’t be able to play 4-3 DE and will most likely be drafted by a 3-4 team looking for an OLB.
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He is not only a pass rushing specialist
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
He can’t play the run as well as an ideal 3-4 OLB should be able to and it remains to be seen how he handles coverage duties, so until then he should be classified as a pass rushing specialist. I’ll gladly admit I’m wrong if he turns into an all-around player in a few months, but I doubt he is there yet.
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He has the potential to get there though
Which is what makes him interesting. It is rare for a prospect to not have weaknesses as a prospect unless he is a top 10 guy. That is what the NFL coaches are for
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
He was a 234 lb DE
in a odd front defense, of course he’s not going to look like a good run stopper and as an pss rusher there were few near him
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with being a 3rd/4th round pass rushing specialist. The guy already has close to elite speed and pass rushing skills he just needs to put in the time and work on the run game. Until then put him in on 3rd down and rush him off Harrison’s or Woodley’s edge and wreak havoc. Not to mention he would be amazing on special teams.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Feb 28, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think I know what my favorite college team's defense
or at least the defense they ran until their DC left this offseason
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
That also makes you biased.
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I've been the biggest critic of his
Up until the combine I’ve been calling a pure pass rusher that can’t play the run. Then he showed up to the combine weighing 245 and running 4.5 and looking good in coverage drills
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
But what does his weight and athleticism have to do with playing the run? His weight helps, sure, but being big (or in his case average sized) doesn’t mean you can successfully play the run. I do like his speed and height (6’3 may not be big but it is big enough), though, and I think he could cover TEs and RBs with some success.
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Timmons looks good against the run because we don't ask him to take one blocks
Timmons is about 10 lbs lighter than Irvin is now, so that extra 10 lbs helps Irvin take on blocks and win.
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Timmons is an ILB. Irvin is probably going to be an OLB where he would have to take on blocks all game.
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that's why I'd kick him inside
much like we did with Timmons
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Timmons is 250
at least, that’s what his LB coach says.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I could believe it. He sure doesn’t look as small as 234 or whatever his listed weight is.
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I don’t think the Steelers ever update player weights. Polamalu is still listed at 207, which is his combine weight.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Combine weights
The Steelers have Ziggy Hood, Lawrence Timmons and Troy Polamalu listed at the same weight that they measured at the combine. It’s pretty unlikely that none of these players has added mass, since they have entered the NFL.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I remember reading a story a couple years back
saying Timmons had bulk up to around 250lbs but the website did up date it
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i bet Por wont br available at 24
I would imagine he goes 11 to the Chiefs but if not then he could go 15 to Eagles, or yo the Bengals. If all those teams pass than he could make it to us but unlikely
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions
Its hard to argue
against Poe if were sticking to a traditional 3-4, suppose it depends on our future plans whether be more flexible line play and more 4 man fronts…
Group 8 coming up at noon with positional skills
With group 7 hits the 3 cone drill. Obviously, I’m a little more interested in group 8 because those guys fill our needs more. Group nine should be fun to watch though (LB)
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Would love it
if the Steelers had a shot at Melvin Ingram. To bad it ain’t gonna happen.
I bet we just lost Poe because of that combine
He will probably be a top 15 pick. I really, really hope he makes it to us but I am just not seeing it after the combine performance he had
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions
I don't see it
People always shoot up falsely because of the combine. The tape still shows he is a raw talent.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I would imagine for the next two to three weeks he is mocked in the top 15
and then when people start watching the game film again he will fall back to the late first round where he belongs
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Don't see Poe as a guy
who will be able to do much his rookie year. He’s not going to get by, just using his power in the NFL.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Needs a year of coaching and development
but who knows, maybe he is a very quick learner and just never had the coaching at Memphis
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
weird..............
how he impressed all the NFL anaylists, players, coaches, etc.
Not so sure
Yes, he had a great 40, but he looked average in the position drills.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
That is to be expected
because he is extremely raw. However with good coaching, he will become a Ngata type player so I hope that we can land him
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Betting on potential
Raw isn’t a word you want to hear, when describing a teams first round pick.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hasn't the ownership
stated that they’d like young players to be brought along more quickly? This doesn’t seem to bode well for drafting Poe.
by SamTheButcher on Feb 27, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Especially in first round
Why is everyone drafting potential and projects in round 1?
Because nobody coming out of college
is at the best he will be. Your not looking at prospects for what they can do now but what 2-3 years with our coaching will make him. Would you rather have the guy player A who can start right now but is near his ceiling as a player and will not get better or the guy player B who is right now only a little bit worse than A, but is really raw and has the ability to become and all-time great?
Best example would be would you rather have Jason Pierre Paul the raw prospect who played one season and had 6.5 sacks or Derrick Morgan with 19.5 sacks in 3 years?
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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Name one player who was drafted for what he was
not what he was going to be
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
How about a player drafted for what he was
talent-wise.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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oh
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
How? Their jobs are completely different, so what do you measure with?
If you’re measuring tackles, Timmons last two years are only 6 off of Woodley’s career total.
Sacks? Woodley’s obviously got that (48-17) But as I mentioned, their jobs are different.
Is it INT’s? They’re equal there
FF’s? Timmons has one more.
Games missed. Woodley 10 Timmons 2
I am just curious as to how you feel Woodley outperformed Timmons. I love Woodley, he’s already became one of my favorite Steelers, and I’m not trying to put him down, I just can’t understand how either of them outperformed the other. To me that seems like when people want to compared Polamalu and Reed. Stacking them up against each other doesn’t make sense. I always hear that Timmons doesn’t make “splash plays”, so they say he’s under-performing. As I’ve said before, and I certainly hope this doesn’t happen, but if he were to ever miss time, you and the others would appreciate Timmons a little more.
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The way I look at it, Woodley is one of the best at his position and there are few above him. Timmons, as much as I love him, has yet to really break out and become the elite ILB we’ve wanted for a while. I think he will next year but it really hasn’t happened yet. So I would agree that Woodley has outperformed Timmons.
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has yet to really break out and become the elite ILB we’ve wanted for a while.
Can you please explain what you wish to see in order for you to consider him to be. I’ve actually been wanting to ask this since the last time this topic came up.
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I don't understand...
40 time means nothing to me for a NT. big snack clocked in with a 5.25….so what…he looked pretty damn quick off the ball and down the line for the last 9 years. Please some one agree!!!
Poe's 10 time was good as well
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
For NTs the 10 yard split is what matters
And Poe’s was insanely good at 1.68. People are just wooing over his 40 because it is insane for someone his size.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you
Everyone is saying these great things about his 40 time because it really is great, but it’s kind of irrelevant. I care WAY more about his ability to react to a ball being snapped, and his ability to explode in a short distance than anything else.
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that is what a 10 yard split is...........
and the 40 measure’s his ten yard distances, and at 1.68 every ten yards is sick for a 348 pound guy. there are some other drills to measure his short distances, but I am sure he did above average.
Also, Brockers could possibly considered a 3-4 NT now at 322 pounds
I would not mind taking him at 24 to be a NT but I bet he goes top 15 as well
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 12:55 PM EST reply actions
What do you all think of Brockers as a possible NT?
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't watched him at all
But I would bet against it. The dude is 6-6, which means that 322lbs is a very lean 322lbs. And at that height you have to worry about his ability to stay low and take on double teams
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 28, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
He was 6'4 flat at the combine and looked like he could add 10 more pounds
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 28, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
Is he strong enough to take on double teams?
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no, but your mom is. (ba dum tsss)
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by FrankWyt on Feb 28, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t give a fuck if you’re joking, I don’t like any type of joke about my family. Take that shit somewhere else.
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not cool dude
Don’t bring that crap on here, even as a joke.
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by John Stephens on Feb 28, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
“that crap”? Like, as if it’s aimed personally at some person that as far as I’m concerned, doesn’t exist, as I know nothing about that person (or even Riddlah for that matter)?
I mean, fine, whatever you say, but I would think common sense would tell either of you two that “your mom” is a generic shadow in a case like this.
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You didn’t aim it at him personally? You made a joke about HIS mom. I don’t see how that’s not personal. To me, and clearly him as well, it’s irrelevant that you don’t know him. Suggesting anyone’s mom prefers to be double teamed is immature, stupid, and inappropriate. That’s not the level of discourse we’d prefer here. Your mom jokes should be left for middle-school kids.
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by John Stephens on Feb 28, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
No, the “didn’t aim personally” is his mom, the nonexistent person in this situation.
If someone types “twss” do you really think there’s some “she” that said something? I’m pretty sure that it is assumed that there is no “she”. I would think that, what you correctly pointed out as a “middle school” joke, would be viewed the same way in any circumstance.
I think “suggesting” is a little extreme. I honestly can’t even imagine how you’d consider that “suggesting”. Also, it wasn’t “preferred to be” it was “strong enough to take on”
But, “suggesting” aside, is it immature, stupid…um yep, that’s the point, as is the “twss” thing.
Inappropriate? I guess it depends on the sensitivity level. And from someone who talks the way he does to others around here, I never would have taken him for the sensitive type. Especially about something as stupid and common as a dumb ‘your mom" joke, which, despite your upper middle class outlook on it, is NEVER personal.
Now, lets’ say his mom has 3 toes on one foot, weighs 900 lbs, burps and spits when she talks, and shoots heroin in to her eyeballs, and I made jokes about any of that, that is personal.
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This is not up for debate. What you said was stupid and inappropriate. Keep your mom jokes off of this board.
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by John Stephens on Feb 29, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
What’s not up for debate? What was I even attempting to debate?
I mean, I conceded to your eminence, agreed what I said was (intentionally) stupid, and I accepted your executive declaration that it was inappropriate, so what’s left to debate? Is this just another one of those situations where you are relishing your opportunity to “smug” someone or something? Are you saying I was trying to fight for my right to continue using a “joke” I had previously used a grand total of around 0 times, and gave no indication that I planned to use it a second time?
I apologize, but I’m a little confused.
You made your point, I accepted it,then I attempted to make mine. I disagreed with your assessment of the situation, and tried to offer a counterpoint from my own assessment, for the purposes of my defense (right or wrong), mostly to illustrate that I did not mean anything by it.
I did this knowing full well that papa John’s words would be the final words, and knowing full well that papa John also holds some responsibility for the overall preservation of this site, meaning I’m not trying to trip him up.
I understand your position here, but I’m having a hard time trying to figure out why you try to speak to someone you don’t know like you are their father. This may come as a shock to you up there, but there are ways to state your case without coming across as a smug, pretentious, and pompous person.
But,even with living with the knowledge that I’d be nothing without being able to bask in the glow of your light, and that I would never be considered smart and/or appropriate as long as I was living in your shadow, I still tried to explain my side , while understanding the actual effect the issue. Not to justify it or lobby for future use, but to point out I meant nothing by it, I became aware that there are still people that would take offense to something like that , and understood that this wouldn’t be the right place to do it again (should I try to make the “1” in the “1 in a million” the winner).
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Can't believe Sean Spence only got 12 reps on the bench press
That is just awful. Courtney Upshaw got 22 reps and Luke Kuechly with an impressive 27 reps. That kid is a stud
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions
What about Hebron Fangupo?
Displayed a lot of power in the position drills. I didn’t see much difference between Fangupo and Poe.
You don't see much difference?
Fangupo – 6’1", 323lbs, 5.16 40, 36 reps, 31.5" vertical, 32.75" arms
Poe – 6’4", 346lbs, 4.87 40, 44 reps, 29.5" vertical, 32" arms
They are nothing alike. Fangupo is a little short and a little weaker and a little slower but has longer arms. However, Fanupo is a more polished player
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking about ability
not measurables.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Weight room strength
doesn’t mean much, if you can’t transition that power on the field.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fangupo will be 27 years old by the start of the 2012 season.
That’s just too old to be a rookie.
Did not know that
I was wondering why he was a very late round prospect
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Another good bencher was Demario Davis, an ILB who repped 32 times
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions
Ronnell Lewis with an incredible 36 reps of the bench press
He also ran a 4.69 which is about the maximum time to play ILB in a 3-4. He seems like a better fit at Rush LB but he coudl still possibly be an ILB prospect.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions
Aren't the LBs supposed to be up now?
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More white to white and black to black comparisions
Sean Lee to Kuechly is just a classic “oh there both white and kind of unathletic LB’s that have good instincts”. I really get sick of hearing these.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions
Just saw Poe do the 3 bag drill
Every time he hit the bag, he was all arms. He didn’t drop his hips, or use any leg drive. He’s going to be a project.
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If he was a rhodes scholar I’d pick him.
by Steely McSmash on Feb 27, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Most players available at 24 are going to be projects
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
You are very negative on him but everyone knows he is a project
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
A project is fine
but not at 24. If we could get him in the second, or third round, fantastic. You shouldn’t have to teach technique to a first round pick.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Who at 24 isn’t going to be a project?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
You can get guys who are not projects at 24 but they lack the physical abilities that Poe has
guys like Donta Hightower or Chase Minnifield. They are not projects but they just dont have the physical traits that Poe has. So therefore, they have a much higher floor but they have also almost reached their ceilings
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hightower might be too slow to be a good ILB. And CB shouldn’t be that high on our board
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes you should sometimes because you don't get an athlete like him very often
He has NEVER had coaching that was good. Not in HS. Not in College. The Steelers have the best DL coach in football. He has NEVER had an athlete like Poe. Imagine what he could do with a year or so of teaching Poe
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Timmons a project? Ziggy?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
yes they were both projects
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
On the other hand, Cameron Heyward was considered a very complete prospect
without the elite physical traits. The only time you are going to get someone with elite physical traits and is not a project is in the top 10 or if they have injury or character concerns
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know he never had quality coaching?
Is it because he played at Memphis?
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
because Memphis has terrible coaches and a terrible team
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
NFL coaches who got their start at Memphis
Mike Tomlin, Randy Fichtner and Keith Butler. It seems to me, that Memphis has a history of producing quality football coaches.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
They are not there now. He does not get good coaching
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
Their record over the past few years clearly reflects that...
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
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Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 28, 2012 2:48 AM EST up reply actions
Your blowing things a little out of proportion
NEVER had an athlete like Poe? Keisel, Hood, Hampton?
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think Poe is a better athlete than all 3 of them.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Easilly a better athlete than any of them
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what?
a fast 40 time, and a big bench press?
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
On everything dude
40 times, bench press, vertical.
It is rare that you get a guy at that size (6’4" 345lbs) that can run a sub 5 second 40 and jump over 29". He is raw but he woudl be the best pure athlete that Mitchell woudl ever have coached
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Is this really hard to understand?
It is tough to record a tackle on a team with absolutely zero talent and when you are being triple or double teamed on every play. Watch the tape on the kid. He was literally double/triple teamed on every single play.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
no production
is a red flag, thats all I’m saying. maybe he is not a good football player. Compared to hightower who was on the best D in the nation and one of the best players on that Defense.
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Which explains why he is going to be drafted in the first round…
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Certainly
After a certain point in the draft it is more a surprise if the player makes it into the league than they fail. I think there have been heated debates about this in the past.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
If production is so important
name this player
45 tackles
16 TFL
6.5 Sacks
1INT
2 FF
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Try Jason Pierre Paul on for size
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
"It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you." Mike Tomlin
Please tell me you aren’t going to compare the stats of a NT to that of a DE. Of course the DE’s stats are going to look nicer.
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also his wonderlic test
poe had a bad wonderlic test,a lot of scribbles and some egg and ketchup stains.
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
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they hatin’
tryin’ to catch me posting stupid
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Marino scored 13 on the Wonderlic
How’d that work out?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
zero superbowl victories
had to say it,
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Crappy team
Just like Manning and the Colts
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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True, and Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48…so clearly the test is everything about being an athlete. I don’t know why they do anything else at the combine.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ben scored a 25
Brian Griese at 37. Who has more SBs?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
griese family has 2 also
did bens dad win any
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Also
so you are saying now, from what I am understanding, that Wonderlic score has a direct correlation to winning SBs?
This is like Moneyball. We should build the team around this philosophy, Billy Bean.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
no
wonderlic test are used to see if a player can learn, and he can remember what he learned and also if he can read.
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Your logic is completely flawed when I point out one of the smartest QBs of all time, Dan Mario, scored a 13. And one of the crappier QBs, Fitzpatrick, scored a 48.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Alex Smith scored higher than Rodgers, Steve Young, Brady, Manning, Brees, and pretty much every single legendary QB in history.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Griese scored a 38 to Peyton Mannin’s 27.
I could go on and on about why the Wonderlic is worthless.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
People are taught how to do the wonderlic
they are logic test that people are trained for. They’re no better at predicting the intelligence of a person then thew SATs are for incoming college students
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Have they posted the wonderlic scores?
I wouldn’t mind seeing what different players scored.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
paul is kind of a pass rush specialist
and not an every down player, also jerome kearse had a couple of big years and was figued out.
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Have you watched any football this year?
JPP is way more than just a pass rush specialist He was The Starting DE for the most stacked D-line in the NFL with 86 tackles! Only 2 other players had more.! 16.5 sacks good for 4th most in the NFL. He had more tackles than Farrior did for crying out loud
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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what is your point
we talking about a nose tackle and start going on about an end . please tie the 2 together.
by wrongway frank on Feb 27, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
JPP was not drafted for college production
but potential at 15th overall at that. If Jason Pierre-Paul can only play one season and get drafted on potential alone so can Poe
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He was so raw coming out of college
but a freak of an athlete
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like you are describing Dontari Poe
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Poe is doing backhand springs anytime soon
but yeah I kinda did
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Based on what are those 3 better athletes?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
always a hater somewhere
lol jk no offense greig
I love the Steelers.
by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
What??????
where have you been, do you not remember Timmons? Again, your over anaylzing this drill. This is actually a bad drill, and it makes the players focus more on moving to the next bag quickly rather than popping through the bag and using your hips perfect. I didnt see any guys really kill this drill.
Its time for the LB's
Can’t wait to see Donta Hightower and Vontaze Burfict run
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions
will do
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Are they running yet?
I’m still getting DL reruns
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Just had Lamaar Woodley on the combine talking about the people who were drafted ahead of him at his position
Thank god he came in with short arms and was considered to not have a position in the NFL.
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This just in, Todd McShay is a moron
He said Mohamed Sanu is slow and can’t get open? What the hell was he watching in the film room. Sanu was double and triple teamed in college and still managed to get open and catch 115 balls. My hate for McShay went up another level. Not fair that people like Dan Kadar spend years actually writing sensible stuff and never get a chance at the big stuff (TV, ESPN, etc) yet you get a bumbling fool like McShay who knows nothing and he is allowed to be on ESPN.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
James Michael Johnson had an impressive vertical and bench press
I am liking him more as a 3rd/4th round ILB selection that could be a starter. Seems like our kind of guy
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions
The 40's have begun. Nothing worth mentioning yet
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions
da hell?
I’m not getting it, still reruns
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
First impressive time of the day - Nigel Bradham with a 4.53
I like him as a 5th round ILB pick
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions
Zach Brown is up. expecting a 4.45
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions
called it. On the money call right there. He ran exactly a 4.45
and he didn’t even have a good run. He pulled up a little early and stumbled. He will probably run close to a 4.40 on the next one
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Are you watching on TV or on nfl.com?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
on TV
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
damn
tv is sooo far ahead
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Brown is an outstanding athlete.
And he’s up to 245 lbs, isn’t he? I could see the Lions grabbing him if he’s BPA for them.
I would not mind taking him at 24
He seems like he coudl easily play ILB and would be a great guy to have cover the freaks at TE and RB in this league. After Poe, he is my favorite to pick at 24
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Now that he's up in a bit in wait, I could do that.
With him and Timmons we’d basically be playing with two Macks and no Buck, but that’s kind of where the league is at right now.
Yea no need for a Buck anymore with the way the league is played now
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Burfict runs a 4.93
Wow that is shockingly awful and does not make sense
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions
what the hell
wow
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Poe at ILB
He is as fast as Burflict.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
the PERFECT Buck
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still getting DL reruns
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go to sports.yahoo.com and play their feed. That is what I did yesterday
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
there we go
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
no problemo
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
i did like 5 times
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
What about Ingram as an ILB
He has the athleticism and the size to be a great Buck. If he is there at 24 I woudl not mind him either but he is probably a top 15 guy
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions
He is too geat a pass rusher
To stick at ILb I’m. You wouldn’t move Ware or Woodley to ILB Ingram would be best at OLB
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by Steel in FL on Feb 27, 2012 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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Terrible jump
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4.62 for Hightower
nice
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with a better jump he could get below 4.6
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
This was exactly what Hightower needed.
People have mentioned his knee injury – I’m wondering if it has just taken him a little while to get back to his speed afterward.
That is pretty good. I would like him as our 1st round pick if Poe or Brown are not there
Not sure if I prefer Brown over Hightower though. Still debating between them to
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
at 24th
Seems like there will be a good player for us when we get to 24th. The only question will be which one.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yea. We should be able to decide between our share of good prospects at 24
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
nice is the word
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
James Michael Johnson with a 4.60. About what I expected
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions
Kendricks should run around a 4.55
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions
Ran a 4.50. That is impressive
He is a good ILB prospect in the 4th to 5th round
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
He moves well
I would love to see us grab him in a later round. Not only is he athletic he is very fluid in his movements.
What was Audie Coles time
NFL network has douche bags running their pie holes. instead of showiing the damn 40s
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Good kid
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He looks a bit less muscular than he was during the season
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
4.50 isn't bad at all
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
dropped weight to run at combine probably
Lots of players do that
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
4.50 that is incredible for Kuechly
Damn. Solidified himself as a top 15 pick and there is absolutely ZERO chance he falls past the Eagles. Also, this is why comparing him to Sean Lee is a joke
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions
I didn't think he would ever get past the Eagles anyway
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
it's good though
If he goes early then there is a better chance of another great player getting to us.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Audie Cole ran a 4.72. Shocking that he ran slower than Hightower
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions
He has great game film
But he should be a solid 4th round pick for some team, just not us
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
I’ve seen his name thrown up here alot and I thought he was being proffered as a 2nd round pick.
I'm your huckleberry
Yep solid 4th rounder
I’ve seen him as a 3rd round pick for us, as a NC State fan, I still say no way
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Cole was solid for us this year, but he’s no Nate Irving. I would like him as a Steeler, though.
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i'd like him as a steeler
he is a good guy
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
maybe the next Clint Kreiwaldt (sp?)
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I think you spelled it right
and he was AWESOME
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Thanks
NFL network wants face time for the know it alls. Missed his
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Tank Carder ran a 4.56
Great time for him. I like him as an ILB prospect in the 4th roun das well
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions
I really like him as a late round prospect as well
He could be a steal for some team who is willing to develop him
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Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 28, 2012 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Travis Lewis runs a brutal 4.81 - Definitley strictly a 4-3 OLB prospect
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions
I am still shocked that Kendall Wright ran an official 4.61
He could see his stock plummet after running that slow
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:02 PM EST reply actions
is a db or a lb?
sorry, I’m writing a brief while trying to keep up with the combine, so I don’t know what position he plays. What is a good time for an ILB?
I'm your huckleberry
He is a WR
but for an ILB, a good time is 4.55
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Was Bobby Wagner invited to the combine? i have not seen him yet
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:06 PM EST reply actions
pulled out due to injury
Hamstring I think
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by Steel in FL on Feb 27, 2012 3:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh shit. Emmanuel Acho hurt his hamstring/quad running the second 40 - That sucks
Hopefully it is not serious
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions
Knee or Thigh?
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Looked like thigh/hamstring
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Here is Zach Brown
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions
Looks bad
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Zach Brown is fast as hell
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Brown runs an insane 4.44
That is just unfair. I want him at 24 if Poe is not there.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:11 PM EST reply actions
He makes deion
Look like a great tackler though. In our bend but don’t break style we need better tacklers than him.
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by Steel in FL on Feb 27, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Burfict runs a 5.10 on his 2nd 40
He better not be drafted
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:12 PM EST reply actions
Holy hell
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
he couldn't have been running at all
there hasn’t been this many red flags in a soccer game
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait for Malor to hype him as the next Ray Lewis
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
lol he already did that once but now he is off the Burfict train
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wait a minute
Everyone swore to me how great of an athlete the guy was…are you telling me Hightower ran 4/10s of a second faster than he did today?
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. He looked out of shape and like he had not worked out in a month
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
It must be his coaches fault...
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
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by StoneColdSteel on Feb 28, 2012 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
yep. He looked slow as hell and it reflected in his time
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think so but somebody will probably take a chance on him in later rounds
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
You think this makes him a late rounder?
He could fall out of the first, but no way he passes the Ravens in the 2nd.
Or am I just buying into the hype that much?
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I would not pick him until at the earliest, the 5th round
He has terrible game tape, a terrible attitude, and now a terrible combine. So what makes him a good prospect? False hype of athleticism that he clearly does not have. That was all he had going for him
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you
I suppose I’m still just getting over the shock of how bad he is.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Medical issue?
I was joking earlier about him suffering from head trauma but now I wonder because there seems to be a huge drop-off in his perceived skills and abilities from one season to the next and then this disaster of a combine. This may be more than just being a jerk.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Would seem possible
But why open yourself up? He didn’t need to prove his physical skills (apparently they were greatly over-stated), all he had to do was mental. Why not just focus on studying for the Wonderlic and nail your interviews?
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Think about this for a second
I am .5 seconds faster than Burfict in the 40 yard dash and the fastest player on my team, who is only 15, is a full .8 seconds faster than Burficts slowest 40 time. That is just awful
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions
Hate to break it to you...
but no one one your team is running a legit 40 in anything under 4.7 (and that’s being generous). The timing at the combine is much stricter (and more accurate) than whatever your coach is timing.
Not trying to be a jerk, but I just hate when everyone thinks kids on their HS teams were running legit 4.4’s. The top HS players in the nation barely hit the 4.4 range, and the average all-state WR would probably be somewhere around a 4.6 or maybe even 4.7
If your coach timed you at a 4.4, go run at the combine and you’re probably more like a 4.9. Not to mention that most of these guys weigh like 220 or 240 lbs, not 170.
That is wrong actually
My boy ran a 4.32 at the Rutgers combine on an electric track. He is the #1 HS Football sophomore in the nation and is 6’0 195lbs. Him and my other dude won the HS National 2 by 100 meter championship in Oregon. Look em up. Jabrill Peppers and Leonte Carroo. They are legit.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
They may be legit...
But I guarantee you if you send your boy to run at the NFL combine, he isn’t going to be running a 4.32. Those Nike combines (and all HS combines to be honest) are notorious for inflating times. It makes their camps look better, which in turn means more $
I am not saying that they are not fast, or are not ever going to be capable of hitting those times, I am just saying that there are probably less than a handful of high schoolers in the world who can run a legit 4.32, let alone as sophomores
He can run a legit 4.32. I bet you that
When he makes to NFL Combine he will run in the 4.2’s.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Someone mark it down
I’m amazed at all the stories I hear from people running 4.2s in high school…
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I could run in 4.2s still
if you mean 10 yards though I would need to rest a lot after.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
This kid is real though
Youtube him. Jabrill Peppers. Kid is a freak. He was All American in football and track as a Freshman and was National Freshman and Sophomore of the year for football.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
BTW if Neal reads this
I stand corrected. Hightower ran faster than Burfict. Never saw that coming.
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You've been down on Hightower
Anything change your mind about him yet today?
I still have Poe above him on wish-list.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes his 40 time
I had to close out, haven’t seen the position drills
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't sure if there was anything else
But his 40 time makes me more confident in him. I agree with your list below, I might put him above Poe at this point because of some of the available pieces at NT.
But this is a great year to need a NT and an ILB
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 27, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I stand corrected. Hightower ran faster than Burfict. Never saw that coming.
Maybe, but THAT much faster?!? Burfict blew the most important interview of his life today.
This is part of the reason why I am bigger on Hightower, clearly, one of them prepared for this day and one of them did not. I’d take the character guy, especially at that position.
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Insane. Did you see some of Burficts quotes from his interviews? Jaw-droppingly stupid. How did no one coach him not to say some of the crap he said is beyond me.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
do they drug test before the Combine?
He probably smoked a Fatty before his drills and interview. Someone said they saw Pacman Jones and Santonio Holmes there with Burfict.
Wow, Kuechly runs a 4.5 and jumps a 38" vertical
He is probably the 2nd most athletic ILB in this class and with his instincts, that is just insane
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions
Hightower has a horrible starting stance
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They were saying the same thing about Joe Haden's crappy time.
He’s worked out just fine.
I mean, it's not really important in the NFL
just for sprinting, but I’m surprised a coach didn’t fix it for him
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
It’s cause his stance is so vertical, just weird
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Back to back 4.62s though
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Hightower runs a 4.62 again on 2nd run
That is impressive stuff. Here are my favorites for pick 24
1. Dontari Poe
10. Donta Hightower
11. Zach Brown
12. Cordy Glenn
13. Peter Konz
14. Mark Barron
15. Alshon Jeffery
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:19 PM EST reply actions
I think I'd go
Hightower
Poe
Glenn
Brown
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
You like Hightower over Poe?
With the depth at ILB in this years class and the fact that you could get a potential starter in round 4 or 5, I would rather have a stud like Poe at 24 and get a mid round ILB. Also, NT is a bigger need IMO
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Solid 40s remove a lot of the doubt from Hightower for me. I think he could come in and be a starter right away and we could have a chance at Ta’amu in the 2nd.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
i like this thought. you sir, are a good thinker.
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he usually is
until you start talking about those terps lol
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Same here
Although in the position drills he looked really stiff and didn’t move well
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I thought he looked decent
Not great, but decent
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’d take Hightower over Poe now. You really don’t need a ton of straight line speed to play that position, and you don’t have to cover that much in this defense. What he has, though, isn’t measured here. He’s smart, he’s a great leader, he knows the game very well, he played in an elite conference and put up elite numbers while being a captain of a national championship team.
This is a guy the Steelers can transition into a great team kind of linebacker. Future captain. It’s great that Poe can both squat and outrun cars, but I think Hightower is a better choice for both now and in the future.
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He does seem to fit the mold of the Steelers' first round preferences
based on what you said. I would also assume that he has at least a couple years as a starter as well?
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Maybe I would renumber these
1. Poe
2. Hightower
11. Brown
12. Glenn
13. Konz
14. Barron
15. Jeffery
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Probably just a typo
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I really like Mychal Kendricks as a 4th/5th round ILB if we can't nab a higher guy in first 3 rounds
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:20 PM EST reply actions
Look at his production
106 tackles, 14.5 TFL, and 3 sacks in 2011
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think he is too small
He’s. Only 5’11
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by Steel in FL on Feb 27, 2012 3:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Same height as James Harrison
London Fletcher is 5’10". Kendricks doesn’t fit the prototype, but his skill set makes up for lack of height.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
He could work out
I just don’t like how short he is
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low man wins. being 5’11 may only hurt him when he is looking into the back field, other than that he should be fine.
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by H-burgSTEELfanatic on Feb 28, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I want to change my mind on Hightower. Starting to be sold
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Wow. Kendricks ran a 4.41. I really, really like him as a 4th/5th round propsect
Maybe even a 3rd round pick with his production and athleticism
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Wow. Kuechly runs a 4.78 on 2nd one
but it was because of an awful jump. Once he got in stride, he still looked just as fast
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Kendall Reyes is a big winner at this combine
He has emerged as a solid 2nd round prospect. Great 3-4 DE prospect who is pretty athletic and very, very strong
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:27 PM EST reply actions
Wr from GT Hill?
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
He helped himself a ton as well
I was just talking about today. Will have an entire Combine recap up on Wednesday or Thursday
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
If you put this much effort in your education
Have my vote for President
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
lol thanks
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Very mad that I have school until 2 tomorrow
I wanted to see the DB’s run 40’s. Will have to Tivo it
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:28 PM EST reply actions
Took off today from work to see Poe and Hightower
Not disapppointed. Be happy with either.
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
My updated ILB rankings
1. Kuechly
2. Hightower
3. Brown
4. Irvin
5. Cole
6. Michael-Johnson
7. Kendricks
8. Franklin
9. Carder
10. Marve
11. Messina
12. Schaffer
13. Davis
14. Burfict
15. Williams
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions
I’d be pleased with any of the top 5
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I reallllly love Kendricks as a 4th round pick
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Williams
He must be awful.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Irvin is a OLB only to me
Really fast but not big enough to plug holes
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by Steel in FL on Feb 27, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mayock was talking about him as an ILB
I like him better as a OLB but he could play ILB I think. But more of a Mack then a Buck
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
He bulked up since the end of the season
he said on twitter that he gained 11 lbs since the end of the season. I believe it and he still maintained his speed somehow
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
That would be interesting
I was wondering about this during the combine drills. He has the size, and speed to cover a TE in pass coverage. The big question is his ability to change direction, which he showed he can do during the combine drills.
by Greig Clawson on Feb 27, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
No Bradham?
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James Michael Johnson with an impressive 10 yard split of 1.56
That is second best
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions
short distance burst
Important for OL and DL and LB’s
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ah gotcha
Arguably more important for those positions than the 40 time then.
Yes definitely
It is huge for the DT’s and the OL.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
for a LB, that short burst demonstrates
the ability to fill a gap/hole and meet the RB at the line of scrimmage.
for OL, it is the ability to get up field to the 2nd level and block the LB or DB
and for an DL, it is demonstrates response to the ball snap and the ability to penetrate and rush the passer before he can release
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by CLK47 on Feb 27, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for the perfect description of each
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
They let Kuechly run again and he got a 4.59
The 2nd run was clearly a fluke and a bad jump
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions
That's surprising
I wonder if he asked
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
He was asked by the scouts and he wisely agreed
They were concerned about his 4.78 on the 2nd run. He put those concerns to rest
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my ideal first four rounds
1. Dontari Poe, NT, Memphis
2. Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
3. Nate Potter, OT, Boise State
4. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
We would fill every hole we have with a potential starter and Kendricks would be able to lock down TE’s and RB’s in this league as well as possibly covering slot WRs. He is also a great ST player and is actually very good verse the run.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:40 PM EST reply actions
I'd pee myself with excitement.
Though it might also be the absurd amount of alcohol I’ll be consuming on draft night.
That would be a thing of beauty
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
who the hell is the guy doing this wave drill?
he’s totally trying to fake out the players. what a dick
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aw screw you NFL network
commercial right before Hightower….dammit
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They been pissing me off all day.
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still confused as to how Burfict ran a 4.9+
It does not compute at all
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He probably has just been slacking off.
I think we can safely say we won’t be drafting him.
unless it's really late in the draft
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
UDFA
I will not be surprised to see him as a UDFA at this rate. Will he be having a Pro Day at the university where he doesn’t get along with the coaching staff?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well that coaching staff was fired
ASU brought in a despicable human being to run the program now
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions
Did you ask about his struggles?
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I did but he did not feel comfortable answering those questions
It will be published on my site (in my signature) tomorrow and on here probably on Wednesday or Thursday
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't feel comfortable?
As in he thought it would hurt his stock to answer?
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No he just didn't want to talk about certian things that were too personal
It is fine though. He did a great job answering the other questions
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Damn...Brown looks great in the drills so far
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Yes he does. He looks absolutely flawless
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Where is Burfict? did I miss him?
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nope
it looks like he pulled out of the rest of the drills
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
wow
that makes a bad situation worse
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he's injured
That could explain it…
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe. I am going to dig around and try and find out
That is the only possible excuse or reason for running that slow and then not doing the drills.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
No himm being a lazy prospect is one
he probably got word from his agent to sit out and hopefully try to make up from the millions of dollars he lost today at his Pro Day.
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Wow
Kendricks certainly looked fluid. Anyone seen game tape on him?
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-- so says Rex Ryan.
Yep. Absolute stud
Had over 100 tackles and 14 tackles for a loss at Cal last year. I love him as a 3rd/4th round ILB for us. The kid is a beast
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Positional drills starting now
let’s see how well Hightower moves
Can't really get to watch
Let me know how Kendricks and Hightower look at position drills
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Clank off Brown's hands
good hips though
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Wow...Wexell is getting nasty
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Please stop calling Burfict overrated or that he’s falling because of attitude. He flat sucks. Was never rated high. Watch friggin tape.
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Wexell doesn't mince words
which is why I love him
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I love Jim Wexell
…and that’s a perfect example. I agree completely.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Brown's big knock is his tackling?
Tackles too high, right?
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I am hearing talk of Kendricks as a 2nd rounder. I don't like him as a 2nd rounder but if he can stay there till the 3rd that is my guy
Amazing how a good combine combined with the game film that Kendricks has can change you from a 5th/6th round guy to a 2nd/3rd round guy.
Here is updated top 4 rounds for me
1. Poe
2. Zeitler
3. Kendricks
4. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois (had a great combine and looks like he can be a very solid swing tackle and a probably starter at RT)
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions
I need to catch some tape on Kendricks
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. Watch him play. He is a stud
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Seen a lot of Kendrick in PAC-12
only problem really is the just under 6’ height
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Blair Walsh's interview is up on my site
I don’t know when it will be up here
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Damn
I want the draft now!
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be patient my friend
Still have Pro Days and Free Agency
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Pro Days are boring
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'll only be watching Ashlon probably
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm gonna try and sneak over there
I’m not sure what security will look like, but it can be lacks at Williams-Brice sometimes. Who knows what will happen? Either that or it’ll be on the practice field and I’ll sneak something that way.
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That would be awesome
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'll have to do some research and find out
Maybe I can get some friends to pull some strings. We’ll see.
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they are very boring but very important
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
no more than the combine, no?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
no but for some people who had bad combines or did not participate they can save themselves
Guys like Criner, Jordan White, Ryan Tannehill, Vontze Burfict, Courtney Upshaw, Chris Rainey, etc. can all help themselves trememdously with a good pro day because they had bad combines
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Upshaw had a bad combine?
I didn’t follow him
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
He did not run the 40 and is now being talked about as strictly a 4-3 DE
If he can run a good 40 at the combine, he will go back to being talked about as either a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE which will help with his draft stock because he will be scheme diverse
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
yea
after last year, i kinda thought that the nfl might flip free agency with the draft.
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Ditto
Of course I’ve been saying that since last May.
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I know what I said earlier
But the more I think about it, I wouldn’t be shocked if Poe is gone before we pick. Given the huge day he had (although he apparently looked raw in some positional drills, which isn’t surprising), the Chiefs could snag him. I think they have bigger needs on the OL, but Romeo loves large bodies, and Poe certainly fits that.
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Romeo loves large bodies
So much that he made himself one.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Burfict's official time 5.09
Poe’s is 4.98
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What's a good time for the 3cone as a DL?
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No clue. Was going to ask the same thing
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Damn
I was hoping ya’ll would know
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It looks like to me 7.2 is good
So Poe was slow.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
But Ngata had a 7.97 in that drill
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
what about Big Snack
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno if he ever ran the 3 cone drill
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
We talking ice cream.. right?
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
3.42 seconds
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
This is from speedendurance.com
3-Cone Drill:
QB: 7.1 seconds or faster
RB: 7.1 seconds or faster
WR: 7.0 seconds or faster
FB/TE: 7.2 seconds or faster
OL: 7.8 seconds or faster
DT: 7.7 seconds or faster
4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB: 7.2 seconds or faster
4-3 OLB: 7.1 seconds or faster
ILB: 7.2 seconds or faster
S: 7.1 seconds or faster
CB: 7.0 seconds or faster
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DT is broad
NT would be slower I’d assume. 7.9 ain’t awful for his size
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking too
They don’t really have an NT category. OL is very broad too. I would say anything 7.8 or below is good. 7.9 is very reasonable
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The best time since 06 is 6.69
by Sam Acho last year
Ingram was 6.83
Conner Barwin 6.87
Chris Carter was 6.88
Watt 6.88 as well
Mario Williams was 7.19
Adam Carriker 7.06
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Watt will be a DPOY before it's all said and done
I bet Houston lets Williams walk because of how good Watt is.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Williams was moved to OLB
before they drafted Watt
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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Right and now Williams is looking at Haynesworth-like money despite the fact Houston’s defense was at least as good without him in there. They won’t sign him for the money he can get somewhere else.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
What did Ingram run on the 40?
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4.66
showed he could play OLB or DE today
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4.66 is pretty freaking good for a 276lb kid. I would love him at 24, though I bet he goes in the top 15.
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Lots of teams need pass rushers, and there only 3 worth taking in the 1st round. And one of them didn’t have a great combine, while the other two looked excellent
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If the Steelers didn't have so many needs
Ingram would be worth moving up for.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:38 PM EST reply actions
Ngata vs Poe
40
N-5.13
P-5.98
10yard split
N-1.73
P-1.68 (i think)
Bench
N-37
P-44
3cone
N-7.97
P-7.9
Vert
N-31.5
P-29.5
Broad
N-110"
P-105"
20yd shuttle
N-4.69
P-4.56
Pretty similar results
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Poe 40 should be 4.98
sorry
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
It comes down to intangibles
With physical ability/agility about the same. Does he have the mental makeup to be coached into a better player. Being a work out warrior says a lot about work ethic but film study and being able to put it to use is another.
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about dedication
And the wonderlic, right?
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I suppose the interview process as well
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes very, very similar
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Coach him up and they could be a similar type player
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Im out guys. Going to work on some team needs posts for mocking the draft
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions
later dude
today was fun
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
it was good man
dreaming about Poe in black and gold
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget about the books, young man
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by Pittsblitz56 on Feb 27, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Kellen Clemens to Baltimore…mark it down
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
My Winners and Losers are up on my site - here is link
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Remember that these are just initial thoughts and some people may have been left out. Two things
Zach Brown I did not consider a winner because he did what was expected. Melvin Ingram was not considered a winner even though he looked great and ran a good 40 because of his short arms.
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 4:05 PM EST reply actions
Melvin Ingram was not considered a winner even though he looked great and ran a good 40 because of his short arms.
Ya mean like a more athletic Woodley? lol
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
My Board now
1. Kalil (dream big)
2. Hightower
3. Poe
4. Glenn
…
1424. Troy’s son
1425. Vontaze Burfict
1426. A three-legged goat with scurvy
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depends
How advanced is the scurvy?
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
too close to say
Worse comes to worse, if the goat dies you can always cook it and eat it.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I do like curry
but only a mild curry. I find some too bitter.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
Curry restaurant
We have a new curry place near us. My wife and I will have to try it out some day.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
How advanced is the scurvy?
It’s mastered fire and is working on splitting the atom as we speak.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a big jump from mastering fire to splitting the atom lol
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They learned a lot in making that first spark…
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not in geological time
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
You definitely under-rated Troy's son
He should be like 20 or 30
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
give him a few years...
He really needs to put on 100lbs
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry I have Poe ahead of Hightower
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 27, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can see that
It’s all about preference
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome, Steelers fans, to the next great draft debate
It’s Poe vs. Hightower. Pick a side now, this one’s gonna be a long debate.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
This will be fun
My stand will depend on which need I feel we can fill outside of round one. If we think a Bobby Wagner or Zack Brown will be a good fit there, then I’m a Poe fan. If they think that Ta’amu (or another NT) will be a good fit, then I’m team Hightower. Now I’ve got more film to watch and combine/pro day results to dig through. Sweet!
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I think we win
no matter which one we get but I must admit I like the idea of getting another 10 year NT.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
just a joke
Because we don’t have a shot at Kalil. I’d imagine the same is true for DeCastro.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's a valid point though
If Kalil is there at 24, I bet the Steelers take him.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Men running in the Underwear is apparently a big DRAW.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by SteelerMessican on Feb 27, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
this made me lol BTW
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
+1
And the comments are probably two steps ahead of the comments in the game forum too. No one’s as shocked as I am. I thought 50 tops, with 2s of those from SHS and Stephens.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
It have been like a hundred more
but I had O’Chem lab and could be on my laptop there so missed out on the whole LB conversation.
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Yeah…seton and I got carried away. Some people were asking for the info though.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
No, it was great! I opened up the computer and my jaw dropped. All great info though, it was an enjoyable read. I’m sure others agree.
So much so, I was late getting to the store and my wife b1tched at me. Women don’t understand the combine.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I tried to talk to my fiance about how phenomenal Poe’s 40 yard dash was and she just stared at me blankly. Oh well.
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by John Stephens on Feb 27, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Mine’s on the couch playing a game on her phone, “wow, that’s great!” “Really? Wow…”
It doesn’t diminish my enthusiasm.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just don't appreciate how much work is done to move a 343lbs object 40 yards in 4.98 secs.
It is the beauty of physics
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I've given that up
I’ve known my girlfriend for 6 years, and she knows how much time I put into the draft. She just smiles and nods.
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lol similar story (kind of)
I told my girlfriend I was watching the combine and she was like “I don’t really get what you find so entertaining of oversized males running in tights”
She will just never understand
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
you should tell her that she should try it
and see how much attention you’d give her then lol
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
lol
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Makes me appreciate my mom now
She actually looked interested when I told her about Poe.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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at least you tried
i didn’t bother lol
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Im getting to the point where I won't even bother anymore
She likes watching football but has absolutely no clue why I like watching things like the Senior Bowl, combine or even the draft. IN fact, she went as far as saying the draft was the most boring thing she has ever watched in her life (and she watches shows like the Bachelor). Im just glad she likes football
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
what I do is
when she ask a question, I answer it. Outside of that the sports talk is very thin unless I wanna feel like I’m talking to a wall. My wife is different though, she doesn’t talk much at all, which is probably why I married her lol.
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by tannofsteel84 on Feb 27, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
lol
My girlfriend talks a ton and actually watches some football and knows a little but I rarely bring up the conversation. However, when we watch the Steelers play she likes to learn some stuff about the plays and positions. She also has no idea why I scream so loud. She thinks its only a game and my screaming doesn’t effect the game. What a dumb idea that is
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by seton hall and steelers on Feb 27, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
A woman that doesn't talk a lot?
Liar…
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 28, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
I had to talk to someone about it in person
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by John Stephens on Feb 28, 2012 7:34 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
Today was huge for the Steelers, we learned a TON.
One, we confirmed alot of what we knew about Poe. He’s a man child freak, but he’s raw as hell. The physical skill set is off the charts, but his hand technique didn’t really impress me, which is what I’ve seen for a while.
Two, Hightower is a quality first round draft pick. He ran well, and looked good enough in his position drill sfor him to make sense to me as the pick. I would love to have him here, and might prefer him over Poe.
Three. Wow, really Vontaze Burfict? I’m absolutely flabbergasted. I cannot have imagined him coming in and really laying an egg in the physical skill set portion of things. The fact that he ran slower than Poe says everything I need to hear. Stay as far away as possible. What always impressed me was his physical skill set, and clearly, it’s not there anymore.
Four. Ta’Amu looked pretty decent. I was pleased with his 10 yard split, and his total 40 time. I didn’t get to see him in the position drills, but what I did see made me think he’d be worthy of pick 2.24.
Five. Overall I was very pleased with the LB crew. Zach Brown, Nigel Bradham and Tank Carder all had pretty decent displays today, Mychal Kendricks basically lit the world on fire, and Bobby Wagner didn’t even get the opportunity to participate today. Very deep class.
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Ok
So what’s the verdict? I haven’t been following this, but what are the chances the steelers can get Poe? Slim to none from what i can tell.
The possible teams who could take him
Chiefs at 11, too high and have other needs
Jets at 16, took Ellis last year and have a lot of other needs like pass rusher
Chargers at 18, have major needs at DB and OLB and could upgrade their ILB and OT spots.
If he makes it past the Chargers were good.
However there is the chance a 4-3 team is stupid and takes him when he is clearly going to be better at NT. Teams like the Eagles, Bengals or Falcons.
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Chargers have to get a pass rusher. Absolutely must. It would solve SO many problems on their defense. The Jets are in an extremely similar position, but they’ve got some issues in their defensive backfield that need to be addressed. Not to mention they need all kinds of skill players on offense (RB, probably WR). I wouldn’t write the Chiefs off as being too high. They did take a safety top five a few years ago. They need major offensive line rework though, and I would be surprised if it weren’t one of David DeCastro or Jonathon Martin. I would be really surprised to see a 4-3 team take him though. He’s just a little too big and not quite quick enough. He’s a 0 technique. He had an awesome combine, but that doesn’t change who he is.
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Berry was a Troy like prospect, who could double as a corner
And there was nobody else worthy of the pick.
I'm getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
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I don't disagree one bit
But there were so many people who were saying that surely they wouldn’t pick him because he’s a safety. If they think he’s the right fit, they’ll take him at 11.
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However there is the chance a 4-3 team is stupid and takes him when he is clearly going to be better at NT.
1. I agree, because I don’t think every 4-3 team strictly plays a 4-3, but yes, the beauty of Poe is the fact he just isn’t going to be able to play the 3-technique – or at the least, no forward-thinking team is going to take him in the first round to play the 3-technique. That alone should make him fall.
2. You really do have to worry about BPA though. How far from being a top-tier team is Cincinnati? They couldn’t find a way to put this guy on the field in running scenarios while bouncing a guy like Atkins in and out? Zimmer’s got some mad scientist sh1t goin’ on, I could see him utilizing any defensive lineman with Poe’s athleticisim effectively.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
What are Cincy's needs?
I guess with two 1st rounders they can play games but wouldn’t they be more likely to take a WR and a DB (or are they good at DB)?
I also wonder what the chances are that both Poe and Hightower drop to the Steelers.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
It depends on who they keep of their FA
If they don’t sign Peko DT becomes more of a need
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I meant Pat Sims not Peko
surprised no one called me on that
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I’ve written over 400 stories for BTSC since 2008, maybe four or five of them had more than half of their traffic coming directly. Usually, searches make up 2/3s of it.
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You're welcome?
Was this intended for me?
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You and many others
Thanks for tuning in. Thought this week was going to be the start of some really slow traffic. We’re actually not too far from in-season levels.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I was going to say haha
There’s no way I drove much of that traffic. I HIGHLY doubt people were coming to read my opinion. They were looking for you, John and Seton Hall. There’s not too many other places I’ve ever found where people share my passion for the draft.
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No, you drove exactly one unique visit. But we cherish each and every one!
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Haha
That’s exactly where my math was. But it won’t hurt when the bill payers come knocking.
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I’m not even sure if we’ve done anything like this for the Combine. Guaranteed, though, I’m selling out for the draft. I’m talkin’ live and updated mocks running in real time next to the actual draft…people are far more into this than I thought this community was.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto
and if you need people for that, while I’m sure there are more intelligent people, I’d definitely be in.
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Intelligence isn’t a factor. I’m a moron.
I’m kicking some ideas to the Big Boss, we’ll figure something out.
I’m thinking of something in real time, we can’t trade ourselves, but if the teams trade, then we adjust to it.
Real time, as in, you have the Colts, when they go on the clock, you make your pick. If/when St. Louis trades No. 2 to Cleveland, John, who has Cleveland, drafts second, then I’ll wait for four to draft for St. Louis.
I don’t want to do a mock as much as a real time interactive thing to go along with an open thread like this one.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Knowledgeable was probably a better term
I obviously can’t speak for everyone else, but I will be spending at least 90% of the NFL draft online. I would love to do so here, and that certainly sounds like a reason for me to be here.
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Yeah was wondering when the community mock first round is going to be
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I wanted to wait until after the Combine
Pre-Combine mocks are sorta like A1 sauce without steak.
by Neal Coolong on Feb 27, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather the steak
A-1 doesn’t cut it for me.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know what you mean
You need some evidence, last year I did a post on pre-draft visits for Steelers. I looked back at it and correctly predicted Marcus Gilbert and Cortez Allen would be drafted by the Steelers. My rounds were wrong though. I may do another one this year since I know a little more about evaluating prospect this year then last
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Just as proof
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Curtis Brown
You mention later in the thread that the list didn’t include suspected visits which you then listed in comments. Curtis Brown was one of the players mentioned.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I know if I do one this year I will use suspected visits too
as well as the "mold’ for each position the Steelers look for. I am trying to get an even more accurate prediction.
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I would like that
which isn’t to be taken as a slight about last year’s predictions.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not just Steelers fans
I think we are seeing a lot of fans from other teams as well. There tends to be decent debate here with a few folks that actually know what they are talking about. I enjoy the input from the fans from the other teams. It helps keep things in perspective.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
…I know nothing about the crop of draftees, but following this at least gets me familiar with names that I’ll recognize come draft day.
I mainly sit and listen, throwing in a snarky comment or two when humor seems appropriate.
Thanks to seton, Steel34D, John, and all the others for your patience when I do throw a question in. How you guys have time to get to know all this about the draftees just amazes me, but makes this site even better.
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by PaVaSteeler on Feb 27, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Like answering the question
because there is always that one question that maybe I didn’t know and my personality drives me to find out. Personally for me I have a fairly good memory, add that to the time put in watching these guys and it not hard to keep it straight. Hell I started looking at prospects like 4-5 years ago so I could seem more knowledgeable when talking football. The more I research the more I enjoyed trying to predict who the Steelers would draft.
Yeah I voted twice already as well
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*at prospects in their drafts the way I worded it sounded like I have been watching the same guys for years. Not the case
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I'm jealous
I wish I could have watched the combine all day and chatted with everyone as well. Great info, though. Thanks, guys!
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one of the perks of retirement
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one of the perks of a need-only work environment
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by John Stephens on Feb 28, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Defense
Steelers signed a couple of players, Mario Harvey (LB- Marshall) and Myron Rolle FS.
Harvey was on their draft board a couple years ago and signed him when Indy let him go. I think Harvey has a great chance to make the team. Speed and size with a motor and mean streak. Special teams player
I’m very excited about Myron Rolle. He was injured early in his rookie season and managed only to come back to the PS in TN. He has tremendous potential and I hope he brings it to fruition in Pittsburgh.
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Harvey
Didn’t he get some playing time in the pre-season last year? I can’t remember how he performed.
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by Cold_Old_Steelers_Fan on Feb 27, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think he got a couple of special teams snaps in the first game
but he was cut early in camp. I didn’t like the guy and was pissed people were saying get him in the 4th or so rounds.
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Mario is undersized from what I recall
A big project
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