Super Bowl Pick and a quick thought on our QB situation
by lshaffer_69 on Feb 3, 2012 2:11 PM EST
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PrintHere is how I think the game goes. NY Giants 34 NE Patriots 17. I think the game is going to go the same as the Giants Packers game. The Pats and the Pack are not that different of a team except that the linebackers are better on the Pack and the line is better for the Pats. I just think that the Giants are on a roll and cant be stopped.
Now to my against the grain. I have never been a Colt fan at all and am surprised they even won one Super Bowl. But I do love Peyton Manning. I was thinking. Ben has about 5 year maximum of good QB play left. I think if Peyton is healthy I think the Steelers should trade Big Ben and sign Peyton. Peyton has I think at least 3 good more year. But with that we can get a good draft couple of draft picks with a Big Ben trade. My main reasoning behind this is that I will never forgive Ben for what he did in Georgia. I will support him only if it helps the Steelers.
I think unless there is a no-trade clause Peyton would love to come to Pittsburgh. I know our line is iffy but some of those sacks that Ben takes is his fault. SO i think with Peytons release it will help our Lines. We have RB's and WR's for Peyton and still have a decent team. I am not saying we don't have a shot with Ben but I think this could take us over the top and maybe get us a little younger with those picks.
So have at it and tear it up But I think it could work.
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Okaaay...
- Steelers $20 Million over cap, thus have to cut several long term, high priced vets to get under; how can they afford Peyton?
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Hit return too fast
…2 If Peyton was healthy enough to trade, why wouldn’t the Colts keep him? You would take a proven QB, healthwise, and trade him for a possible risk?
…3 What could the Colts possibly trade, pickwise, that would be worth Ben? Not their #1, since they will use it either to pick Luck, or to trade down to get a bevy of picks to fix all the other problems they have (unlikely).
…4
United we Stand, melded like Steel
To Roger Goodell, We'll never Yield.
he's saying sign Peyton when the Colts release him
I personally wouldnt do it. but if Ben is getting traded and we have the space it could work. we send Ben to Seattle for two 1st round picks and more (should get more than the Carson Palmer trade since Ben is much more accomplished and younger.) we bring in DeCastro and trade up from 24 to get Kuechly too with the extra ammo. that makes it easy to cut Kemo and Foote and Farrior. we’d still have extra picks to spare and two 1sts in 2013
im not saying go do it. im just playing devils advocate
by steel.curtain.number2 on Feb 3, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
No and then what after Peyton?? Try to find another franchise qb to be as successful as BB? It took us
23 years or more to find him. He will be here for awhile longer and he has never steered us wrong. Too bad you can’t forgive him for his past Indiscretions. I wonder if you have been forgiven for yours?
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
If Peyton is healthy
Ben only has a couple more years then him. Why not get started earlier. I am not looking forward to a new QB search but I think a healthy Peyton on this team would put us over the top.
Anyway, it’s a bad idea no matter how you look at it. And if your issue is whatever you are convinced happen with Ben off the field, then why Peyton Manning? He was accused of the same crime (sexual assault) when he pulled his pants down and tea bagged a female equipment manager.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
17 points?
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by John Stephens on Feb 3, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
First
None of us know what happened in GA and whatever did take place, Ben has made an attempt to set right (at least with the Steeler’s fans and organization).
Second and as steelladyinVA pointed out, it took us23 years to find Ben, do we really want to look for another franchise QB particularly when Ben is likely hitting his peak?
Third, I’m a big fan of Peyton Manning. I think he is a tremendous talent with an astonishingly strategic mind. But, right now he is a unknown commodity coming out of this injury. But, on top of that given our cap issues its not a viable trade and there is no way they would offer us what Ben is worth.
I think it's possible that for someone to suggest something like this...
didn’t go through the ‘bad’ years where our QB play was so mediocre. Some people out there are ‘new’ fans (not suggesting lshaffer_69 is because I don’t know) and they don’t realize that we weren’t always so blessed at the QB position. We went through a lot of down years, or more like years when we could have maybe won a few championships, if it weren’t for our poor QB play.
Our defense has almost always been dominant and all that we lacked was a great QB. We got him in Ben and I say never let him go!! They are many people that still say that Ben is a game manager and don’t give him the credit that he deserves, and that he isn’t elite. I say it’s the system that he is in and hopefully in the near future, we will see some beneficial changes for him and the team in general because this team should be capable of putting up pretty big numbers.
Ben has already broken most of Bradshaw’s records and in his first year of play went 15-1. There is no way that the record could have been better, since Ben won all of his first season’s games. In that first season, he was a game manager but you could see some of the heroics already coming out (in spite of Cowher and Whiz). They were afraid to put the game in his hands, and they were probably right. The point is, is that for 24 years we never won a championship and since Ben has been here, all we have done is win!! I don’t think that any of the faithful on this site will ever want him traded or cut no matter what! After all, we are football fans, and we want the best players out there that we can get and I think we have found them!
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Not to be nitpicky, but Ben was 13-0 his first year. (14-1 w/Playoffs)
He came in to the regular season loss after Maddox sucked it up.
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Maddox got hurt. Shoulder if IRC
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."
I think it was a combination of both. I remember him being hurt, but it also didn’t seem like a bad injury. It seemed like how Mendenhall was “injured” this season in that game that Dwyer had 100+ yards. Maddox was still sucking pre-injury
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It was mainly Maddox getting injured, Big Ben nearly led a comeback victory, and then never lost the job from there on out
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by Michael Hewitt on Feb 4, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
My memory isn’t the greatest, but for some reason I remember him being really bad up to that point, and the injury seemed like a convenient excuse. It’s times like these that I regret smoking weed so much when I was younger.
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I think the fact that they let Ben stay playing was evidence of Maddox not being “the guy” and they didnt have faith in him. Coming off a 6-10 year will do that to you I guess
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by Michael Hewitt on Feb 4, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
And also the fact that he was winning. You never mess with that!
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Exactly
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by Michael Hewitt on Feb 4, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Tommy was just a spark plug for us in 2002
Kordell really wasn’t playing well and it was affecting the whole team, so they put Maddox in and the team feeds off his good play.
Once opposing teams got enough tape on him they exposed him for being a below average QB. Our playcalling didn’t help either (letting Maddox air it out all the time).
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 4, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah sorry, I meant the Steelers went 15-1.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Feb 4, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
My main reasoning behind this is that I will never forgive Ben for what he did in Georgia
Ugh. Why do people with this type of thought process still exist? Everyone, including professional athletes, is innocent until proven guilty, despite what you want to believe.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
by Riddlah. on Feb 3, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
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by Michael Hewitt on Feb 4, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Do you feel the same about OJ Simpson?
Not saying that I know what Ben did or that I can’t forgive him, but I think a lot of Steelers fans find “until proven guilty” a little too convenient. Legally innocent is not always the same as truly innocent. The DA made the details pretty clear, but the physical evidence was lacking. Maybe Ben’s condom fit better than OJ’s glove.
I agree with Torch
Why would you need a huge image makeover if nothing happened. Why did you just settle from the first Lawsuit.
My 12 year old son asked me again this year what happened and I had to explain it to him. I hope my son idolizes me for working hard and being a good father but I love sports and he always watches it with me. So he starts Idolizing these guys.
? Wow. Why would he need an image makeover? Hmmmm. Because football is a 10 billion dollar a year business and is very image conscious. Whether it’s true or not has nothing to do with the image makeover. The reality is that a lot of people are stupid, and will decide how they feel about him based on something as silly as wearing his hat backwards on the sideline., or having that ridiculous hairstyle. There is a reason that the league and the teams pay publicists a lot of money to spin stories and shape images.
As far as “just settle” I don’t know if you mean “just settle” as in…actually settling instead of fighting, or if you’re talking about the time it took to finally settle. But if it’s the first one, why do you think? Is it not fishy to you that there were no criminal charges, but a civil suit was brought? Hmmm…i wonder why that is.
Him settling means nothing except putting an end to it. Famous people settle all the time, guilty or not.
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
Well this is easy…
Why would you need a huge image makeover if nothing happened?
Your image is independent of the truth. Once the media and the public have characterized you that is your image and it is hard to change. Take Ndamukong Suh for example. After the personal foul penalties some in the media tried to make him out as a “thug”. However off the field I have heard that Suh is nothing but one of the kindest most respectable people to be with. So if the media have plagued Ben with this viscous image he has to change it.
Why did you just settle from the first Lawsuit.
I point you to a line form The Social Network
“Pay them. In the scheme of things it’s a
speeding ticket. That’s what Sy will tell
you tomorrow.”
No good lawyer wouldn’t highly recommend settling in a case where there is nothing but circumstantial evidence and a battle between stories. There wasn’t evidence to prove Ben innocent nor guilty but enough to prove he made bad decisions. Thus he could have fought the law suit. Continued to have this issue in the media and it marking his image. If he did this and lost he would have had to pay out a bucket load and the plaintiff could have sold her story to anyone. Or he could settle, it would mean paying her but it would be a smaller amount and it would force them to sign a non-disclosure agreement that if she continued to say these thing he could go after her with the full force of the justice system behind him. Yes he would pay but once the issue died sponsors will comeback and he will be able to make more. Settling is not an admission of guilt but a way to get the issue to end.
Do I think Ben committed a crime or criminal act in either case? No. Do I think he committed bad judge meant that involved questionable morals and piggish attitude? Probably, but that it not a crime. Do I think this may have finally change him? Yeah I’d like to.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Will Never Happen
and if it does I lose all respect for the Rooney’s.
Why would we trade
A franchise QB with ‘5’ years left, for a WB with ‘3’ years left??
And if you can’t “forgive” Ben for what happened in Georgia (which according to the court of law was nothing), then why not just be a Peyton Manning fan, for which ever team he plays for? Peyton is maybe the best QB ever in the NFL, it is certainly debatable, but he wouldn’t last with our OLine, and I couldn’t possibly be happier that Ben is our qb. Besides, theyre trying to dump a $100 mill QB, not take on another one, especially right before they draft Luck. And they need all the picks they can get, that team is terrible.
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
+100 million
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
What is a WB?
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
by SteeladyinVA on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Its a hybrid
"Leave the gun. Bring the Canolis."
So is this racist as well?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScbNp0-bvGU&feature=related
Don’t think Ben should be in the truck. He’s got more mileage left than Pey-Pey, and neck injuries can be tricky (just ask a Pens fan ’bout that)
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
If anything, the white boy is Peyton. I mean, aren’t the Colts throwing out their old QB for the new model? lol
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
It remains to be seen what the Colts do, and if Manning the elder will play another snap with them
but throwing out BR7 in exchange for Peyton (as is suggested by the poster) is what I was referring to; and IMHO, that’s just crazy talk.
Not even going to address the Georgia thing, that horse has been beaten to death, ground up, processed, and has been, by now, shat out by dogs.
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Pretty sure it was just a typo...U know the W is pretty close to the Q. Geez!
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
Hey, you’re the one that asked. I’m pretty sure everyone knew it was a typo, but look at the responses you got for asking. Can’t beat that!
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
no kidding! I feel like a trouble maker.
Who's laughing now, O Line??? Ben Roethlisberger (from the Podium) to his O-Line and the world in Superbowl XLIII
not really sure I understand your logic
so…..you are not willing to forget what Ben did in Georgia, but are willing to support him only if he helps the steelers get back to the superbowl and win it another time or two? If you were a Penn State fan and Sandusky was completely aquitted from any allegations, came back to coach Penn State and helped them win a championship, you would support him?
What I meant is
While he is a Steeler I will support him for the better of the team and that’s it.
I would never support Penn State whoever is there coach. As for Sundusky I will say this Joe Pa deserved to be fired for this situation. If Sandusky is found not guilty if he gets a job some where that is on that person that hired him. Also if he is found not guilty he should be a free man.
Why would you insert an immobile QB
with a line that (to date) requires a mobile one?
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Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 4, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton would be a positive to any team
as a back-up/advisor or to help develop a rookie. I’d have to take Tums in large quantities if he were “the starter” for the Steelers. I think Ben probably has 3/4 of a tank full more than Peyton at this stage of the game.
HERE WE GO STEELERS!
"Our Father, who art in Pittsburgh, Football be thy game. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, at Heinz Field as it is in Heaven. Give us this day, a stellar D and forgive us our bogus fines, as we (sorta) forgive Goodell who trespasses against us. And lead us not into defeat, but deliver us a Victory. For thine is The Steelers, the power and glory of climbing the STAIRWAY TO 7."
"Oh... you're a northerner. What exactly do they call 'you people' from Pittsburgh?" "They just call us LUCKY."
I like your enthusiasm concerning the Giants / Pats
but, really, concerning trading “RapeHat” Ben for Pey-Pey?
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Lol
I thought I was the only one who called him Pey-Pey.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Feb 4, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton Manning + Our Offensive Line + Neck Problem + 1 sack = Career Over.
No thanks. We will just have to settle for Big Ben as our QB. Such a shame
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Could you imagine
Watching Manning sack himself nine yards deep before the pressure arrives. Dont forget to picture him throwing himself into a fetal position in our beautiful throwback uniforms. I just threw up on the dog and he ran head first into the wall.
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by steeltech on Feb 5, 2012 10:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
what is the big deal with that? If you look up after the fake hand off on a play action and you have two people bearing down on you, what should you do? Risk the fumble by being “tough”?
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
The Big Deal
is have you ever seen Manning avoid the rush time and time again and make a great play or do you see what I see when he just ducks and covers for fear of contact.
George Carlin : "I used a lot of cocaine, and man, it was fun."
I see him duck and cover when it’s a smart decision to do so, because the play is broken. That’s what great/smart QB’s do…Ben should take a lesson.
However, I’ve seen him stand in the face of pressure many, many times, and I’ve seen him take hits way worse than Ben that I could give you a youtube link to. And watched him come back after missing one play…
Is it possible that you are looking for a way to discredit an amazing talent?
Whatever way you want to paint him, before last season, he had missed a grand total of 0 games since his freshman year in high school. Even the biggest (insert word you’d use) can’t avoid contact all the time, no matter what, they will take big hits…yet…there he is…every game…
Can I get some hot sauce for my doughnut?
I think a pressing issue could be at the back up QB position...
I’m actually a Dolphins fan, so I usually don’t follow the Steelers too closely, but aren’t most (if not all) of Pittsburgh’s back up QBs slated to enter free agency? Big Ben is a great starting QB, but if he goes down, who will they put in next year?
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