Steelers TKO Two Miami Running Backs: Ricky Williams Done For The Year, Chatman Hurt As Well
In no way am I gloating about this, and I'm assuming Lawrence Timmons feels worse than anybody. In fact, this news saddens me because I was happy to see Ricky Williams back in the NFL. But, his comeback sure didn't last long. The Palm Beach Post is reporting that Ricky Williams is done for the year with a torn chest muscle. The injury is expected to take nearly 4 months to recover from.
I've heard some grumblings about Lawrence Timmons intentionally stepping on Williams. I don't buy it for one second. In my estimation, Ricky was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and got stepped on by a 250 pound man who was probably wearing longer spikes than usual.
No report yet on Jesse Chatman, who also left last's night game with an injury. Tough, tough break for the Dolphins. They're down to their 4th string back at this point. When it rains, it pours, and unfortunately for the Miami organization and their fans, sunny skies are nowhere to be found on the horizon.
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Bad break for the Dolphins
by cgolden on Nov 27, 2007 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Chatman
by schnifin on Nov 27, 2007 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Too bad for Ricky
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 27, 2007 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Timmons "crunch" was intentional
If you think Timmons did not do it on purpose then you did not look (or are blinded). I replayed it 20 or more times, in high def frame by frame, and the broadcast shot from the front (not replayed much) is clear an conclusive: Timmons looked at Ricky and went out of his way to step on him intentionally to stop Ricky from moving towards the lose ball so that Timmons could assure fumble recovery.
It was malicious, and if he is not fined it is because Miami has not complained.
If Timmons is sorry, it is retrospective guilt - not being bummed at side effects of an unintentional mishap.
And don't give me "these things happen", or you have not watched it. Sometimes these things do happen unintentionally in a high-speed monster-man game. But not in this case: Timmons was in the zone, working at super human speed, and it is clear when you really look at it that he knew what he was doing.
by daball on Nov 28, 2007 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
If it was, I'd be disgusted. I'd be disappointed and embarassed if any player did it, but especially coming from Timmons, who's not been able to get on the field much this year despite being a top 15 pick.
Question though, if it was obvious, why wouldnt the Dolphins do anything about it?
by Blitzburgh on Nov 28, 2007 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Questionable
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 28, 2007 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
by Blitzburgh on Nov 28, 2007 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
daball no way
And yes of course players get intentionally gouged, punched, clipped, rolled onto from behind and earholed. This is not beach volleyball. Good hustle by Timmons and obviously no fine should result. No Dolphin was upset at the time and their later reaction tells all you need to know.
by steeler lifer on Nov 28, 2007 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, one more thing...
And, yes I concur, there are plenty of non-game related nasties all the time (and frankly we like it). However, that is not any reason for the league to ignore them, or for us to pretend they are "unintentional" and players are "sorry for a mistake". A line needs to keep it in check, even if we might like kickboxing-football. As with most such activity, I think they are better handled "behind the scene" (fine him, and talk with him out of the public eye). While there are many such incidents, the majority of play is above board, and only the NFL players need to be directly kept in check - I don't think public ridicule is productive to keep play in check.
Was it "malicious"? Well it was somewhere in there, but the word definition detail are a distraction not worth much discussion. He knew he put his foot there on purpose, even if motivated by adrenaline, and it caused serious injury as a professional should expect such an action would. He must be intentionally "not-so-malicious" as a pro, or they will kill each other out there beyond the passive damage. They should hit hard, with intention to overpower and do damage, but they all know there are right ways and wrong ways - they are all tough enough to "cheat" and kill each other without difficulty.
As noted, Simons' hit was also wrong, but a bit less calculated - he was at least making a legitimate tackle. Simmons could have turned his head, but did not (at least not intentionally, I am surprised Simmons own neck was not broken when it turned back at high speed). And, he is supposed to know to do that. As you say, it happens all the time, including the facemask to Hines also in the same game.
Mostly, I wouldn't bring it up accept to contradict statements that claim this "step" was not intentional. It was not OK, and not "just a mistake", and that is my only point.
Tangent: "no way" side note: yes there is. You have not watched it, or are blinded.
Tangent: "Questionable": he looked and then "redirected" to set his foot very specifically. It was intentional. That is why we have replay, because we are not as fast as these super-men.
The better point here is: how do you live without HD and DVR (you one of those Cavemen)?
by daball on Nov 28, 2007 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
lol
by Blitzburgh on Nov 28, 2007 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 28, 2007 3:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It may not be clear if you have not seen it...
Many comments seem to imply that people think that Ricky was in Timmons' possible normal path... he was not. When seen from the front angle (the frist broadcast reply), it is clear Timmons' path and motion was not over Ricky.
Timmons' path was already in the direction towards the ball, up field from Ricky (a shorter path than over Ricky). That includes Timmons' momentum. Timmons redirected to get to Ricky, to stop Ricky, and then pushed back to his original path to the ball using Ricky's momentum.
It is clear. It happened. When you see it, it is not debatable. How important it is is debatable, but it did cost a guy the rest of his year, even if you are not a Ricky fan.
Hey, Timmons' move made sense, but that does not make it "unintentional" or "right". Since this is a major point of the starting of this thread, I will harp on it (but only here).
by daball on Nov 28, 2007 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'll take your word for it
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm almost positive that I still have it recorded
Just off the top of my head though, it wouldn't make sense for a guy to go out of his way to step on a player instead of going straight for a fumble. If it is in fact true, I'd have to think it has more to do with a lack of intelligence than maturity. I can't imagine a guy would literally redirect his path at full speed to step on an opponent and run the risk of not recovering a fumble.
by cgolden on Nov 28, 2007 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The footage... (tinyurl.com/2fekwz)
However, a quick search brings up some low quality footage at www.faniq.com, and the combination of the frames at "-30" and also at "-20" show how far the ball was ahead, that Simmons saw the whole deal, and then how far he had to direct his leg to get Ricky.
You need both angles to be undeniably sure, but the conclusion is clear (even more so with HD quality footage).
tinyurl.com/2fekwz (goes to www.faniq.com)
Again, Timmons did not need to "avoid" Ricky to be "OK". What he needed to was not go out of his way to jam Ricky in the back.
I've had my bit, and will shut up now. You be the judge.
by daball on Nov 28, 2007 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
saw the clip
1) it's possible that he needed to step on ricky to change directions and propel himself towards the ball
2)he may have thought stepping on ricky would give him better traction than on that sloppy turf.
But I gotta admit, you're right, it looks as if he could have avoided Ricky if he had tried. Like you said, it's debatable whether this was really malicious or unacceptable for a football field, but I think it's clear that he could have avoided him if he absolutely had to. I'm very very disappointed Ricky got hurt - I'm from Austin and have followed Williams since college - but I'm also not that pissed off at Timmons for trying to make a play.
by Blitzburgh on Nov 28, 2007 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
also on the clip
by cgolden on Nov 28, 2007 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New light, saw the clip
Now that I've that seen it, I really don't see the CLEAR evidence of intentional wrongdoing.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 28, 2007 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats how i saw it too
by Blitzburgh on Nov 28, 2007 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haynesworth
This was a ball-pursuit play in the course of action on a terrible surface. I've reviewed the play and I don't think you can ascribe malicious intent to a split-second physical reaction on a bad surface. You could argue it was recklessly careless but this is football and rarely does a running step on someone result in a debilitating injury. It is certainly not unusual for players, especially linemen, to get stepped on in the course of play and that's just part of the game. A lineman will look at this play and say, ''well that's too bad but ... you should see MY cleat marks.''
by steeler lifer on Nov 29, 2007 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea, no story here
by Blitzburgh on Nov 29, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Timmons must be a BTSC reader
by cgolden on Nov 30, 2007 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs



















