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Was there MNF Tonight? Steelers Win Something, Just Not Sure It Was A Football Game

I'm tempted to skip any and all discussion of tonight's totally idiosyncratic 'football game' against Miami and instead share my thoughts on why 8 wins might be enough for both Wild Card spots in the miserable NFC, or why the Collective Bargaining Agreement of the early '90s is responsible for the mediocre product being put out on the field by so many teams in recent years. I will resist such temptations however and lead off in what I expect to be a terse debate about tonight's 3-0 victory over the still winless Miami Dolphins.

Here's what I expect the naysayers to bring to the table:

1) Our offensive line once again was a disappointment

2) Our play calling was miserable

3) How the hell did we let this hapless Miami team hang around for 59+ minutes.

My responses to these questions?

1) Our offensive line wasn't nearly as bad as the numbers might suggest, and even if you want to believe they struggled tonight, at least realize that defensive pass-rushers had a remarkable advantage over the linemen due to the field conditions. Neither the Steelers nor the Dolphins have been prolific sacking the QB this year, yet both teams put pressure on the QB all night long. The Dolphins finished with 5 sacks, while the Steelers were able to bring rookie QB John Beck to the ground on 4 separate occasions. Farrior and Foote were in the face of Beck all night long, even though they recorded only 1 official sack between the two of them.

When you're forced to back-pedal and move laterally on that type of field against charging pass-rushers who have a clear idea of where they plan to attack, it's going to be nearly impossible to hold your ground. It's not like either team's linemen got burned on speed moves either. The bulk of tonight's sacks were the result of linemen simply being pushed back into the quarterback as linemen struggled to gain traction on the ridiculous track that was Heinz field tonight. The offensive line of the Dolphins has actually been one of the team's few bright spots this year, but tonight they looked terrible protecting the QB against a Steelers defense that has actually had its fair share of struggles sacking the QB for a #1 rated scoring defense. Finally, it only takes a few seconds for a pass rusher to get to the QB, even in sloppy conditions, but it takes much longer for WRs to run the precise routes QBs and WRs have worked on since training camp under such circumstances. That led to both Beck and Roeth holding onto the ball for just a second longer than they're accustomed to. You saw the consequences.

I was actually somewhat pleased with the play of the line. Before delving into the positives, I'll start by saying Sean Mahan just isn't very good. Period. He's not the most integral piece in pass protection schemes, but he sure is a liability in the running game. Willie Parker actually had a fine evening running the ball, but once again, there was little to no real estate up the gut. Now, for the positives. I wondered earlier this week whether it might be time to give Max Starks another chance. Turns out he was forced into action because of an injury to Marvel Smith rather than replacing Willie Colon, but for a night at least, I was pleased with what I saw from Starks. He contained Jason Taylor fairly well, especially in the first half. And he did an above-average job opening up a few holes for Willie Parker on the outside in the running game. As for Mr. Colon? He again got dusted on several occasions in pass-protection. Starks may not be the answer, but in my mind, neither is Colon. There's a reason tackles are the 2nd higheest paid position in the NFL (*registration required, but I highly reccommend you take the time to quickly register and read the article if you haven't already read Michael Lewis' fantastic book, The Blind Side). Unlike some positions in the NFL, coaching and intelligence will only help a Tackle marginally. As a Tackle, you are either born with the necessary skill set to be dominant, or you're not. In my mind, Willie Colon was not. He's close, but he falls short in the foot-speed, balance, and strength departments to ever be consistenly good enough to be a long-term solution for a proud-Steelers franchise.

But I digress. If you ignore the sack numbers for just a second and look at the rest of the game's statistics, you might come to a different conclusion other than that the Steelers offensive line was again pathetic. Willie Parker finished the evening with 81 yards on 24 carries, even though his longest run of the evening was a mere 9 yards. In many of the games this year in which Parker ran for 100+ yards, often times, 30-40% of his total would come in two or three plays, with the bulk of his carries resulting in disappointing 1-3 yard gains. Tonight, there were certainly plenty of ineffective 1-3 yard running plays, but for the most part, I thought the running game was much improved in terms of play-calling, blocking schemes, and Parker finding a way to fall forward for an extra yard or two upon first contact. Alan Faneca made a nice block when he was pulled to the right, opening a sizeable hole for Parker on the edge. Starks sealed his guy on the outside on several occasions for Parker, and despite being flagged for multiple costly penalties, Heath Miller did a good job blocking on the edge.

Whatever though. There are still plenty of reasons to be concerned with this line. Tonight's performance, however, should not be viewed as additional fuel to the fire.  

2) This post is already becoming too lengthy, so I will try to limit my initial reactions to the play-calling for now as I eagerly await all of your takes on the game, but this is basically what I thought of the play-calling. Allow me to cut and paste from a comment I made in the open-thread:

As for those who wanted more passing plays on first down. Perhaps, but realize that our two most negative plays were on passing calls - the pick, and the fumble by Ben on the snap. Absolutely nothing negative happened in our running game, and as abysmmal as it was to watch - it made sense not to give Miami any charity with overly zealous play calling in the passing game. Had Ben not thrown that early pick, and had we not fumbled on a subsequent potential scoring drive on a shot-gun snap, we might have seen a different, more aggressive offensive philosophy for the remainder of the game. You know what though? Tomlin & Co. don't give a damn about style points. It was crystal clear that John Beck and Jesse Chatman were not going to do anything against our defense. I don't blame the coaches for minimizing the possibility of a game-changing turnover, and instead relying on this veteran defense to do their thing and provide the offense with a scoring opportunity in the second half.
This reality may be hard to swallow if you fixate on how successful Ben was accuracy-wise throwing the ball. Harken back to our initial drive however: Big Ben threw the ball well to Hines and Cedrick on our first possesion. The play-calling seemed crisp and appropriately agressive. Then came the pick inside the Dolphins 30. From that point on, we tightened up a bit, but in all actuality, it made sense not to force the issue. Here's all you need to know: Armed with two timeouts and two minutes left on the clock in the first half, the Dolphins elected to run out the clock despite connecting on a positive pass play on the second play of the drive. The 21-yard completion to TE David Martin with 2 minutes remaining put the Dolohins at the their own 35 with plenty of time left to muster a drive that might at least result in a possible FG attempt. Instead of forging ahead, the Dolphins ran out the clock and forfeitted any potential momentum they may have seized with that final drive of the first half. With that decision, it was clear that the Fins had no confidence in their offense, and that the only way we were going to allow them to score was if we presented them with outstanding field position.

While I was not really disappointed with the pass-to-run ratio tonight, here's what I was disappointed with, and what I imagine I'll continue to be disappointed with for the forseeable future: Najeh Davenport, in my estimation, is not a reliable short-yardage option behind this line. Some want to believe he provides the necessary counter-punch to Parker in the running game with his superior bulk, but I contend that this guy has some of the worst instincts and slowest feet running the football in the entire National Football League. Granted, the line didn't give him much to work with when his number was dialed, but can Arians please stop believing that Davenport is capable, individually, of picking up tough yardage up the gut in obvious running situations. In my mind, Davenport should be spelling Parker on those drives that we have conceeded as unsuccessful, as well as on the occasional screen pass and in blocking situations. Running Davenport on 4th and 2 from the Miami 40 was a terrible call when you consider how successful we had been throwing the ball. I'm fine with keeping the clock moving with the running game for the better part of the game, but when it's 4th and 2 and you have a chance to seize control of the game with a scoring drive, please, please come up with something better than a HB dive up the middle with your back-up RB.

3) In response to those who are upset that this Steelers team could possibly let an 0-10 Miami team hang around all night (and even threaten to take control in the early stages of the 2nd half), I would say: A. punt. stuck. in. the. ground. like. a. javelin. End of story.

This was barely a football game. Instead, this was a butt-ugly war of attrition and patience that I'm oh-so-happy we won. Forget style points and making any sort of 'statement' that last week was an anomaly. Each week is a new week that presents unique challenges and circumstances. Occasionally, as was the case tonight, field conditions, injuries, and other circumstances rear their ugly head at the last minute, when it's far too late to change a week's worth of preparation. All I know for sure is that this offense came out throwing the football agressively on its opening drive. We marched down the field quite succesfully, and I, for one, believe that we would have continued to fool the Dolphins defense with a nice combination of throws and runs had the elements not forced our hand in another direction.

SteelerFan made a relevant analogy to me that I'll end with for now:

Tonight was like a hockey team showing up to play a game at the rink, discovering an ice-free pond, and being tossed a yellow ball to play water polo. Yeah, maybe the blue line passes were bad like they have been in the past, but it still has no bearing on Steeler football.
That comment was off the cuff and perhaps not as entirely analogous as it could be, but the basic premise is spot on: sure this was ugly, but tonight's game barely resembled a football game. Problems that have plagued this team appeared again at times tonight, but then again, most everything went wrong for both teams all night, and it wasn't due to a lack of effort. Intensity and focus were hardly the problem in tonight's war of attrition. Both the Steelers and the Dolphins were handed a crate of sour, rotten lemons. The Steelers just managed to find a way to make their lemonade taste just a smidge sweeter. And for this week, at least, that's fine by me. May normal, recongizable football resume next week!

Go Steelers!

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Good post
I just can't imagine what use it would be to try to break down this game, though. You did so admirably, but I'm honestly going to be baffled if there's a big debate about this week's performance. Do the Steelers have issues to be addressed? I think we all agree they do. Should we use tonight's game as a data point in the analysis? Not if we're smart.

I'm happy with the win. Period. That's the single worst playing surface I've ever seen a football game played on. Ever. In all my years watching football.

I'll take the win, and carry over my worries for another week.

Go Steelers!

by Peter Bean on Nov 27, 2007 2:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree
I agree with your thoughts, but also would like to posit this:  How well would dome players such as the Colts, OR EVEN the PATRIOTS react in these sort of conditions?  I could see the worry and concern on the faces of the players last night, but in the end, I rejoiced in the "fun" that was had with such sloppy conditions.  

True, for safety's sake our NFL players should not have to play in 8 inches of slop.  

On the other hand, those that took the opportunity to shift their expectations and enjoyment into the "pickup" game of backyard ball could actually delve into a new style and philosphy of play which was mandated under the circumstances.  When's the last time anybody here played stickball?  When forced to do so, however, who wouldn't have a little bit of fun?

A well-educated, well-spoken, intellectual fan of class-act professional sports. You cannot diss a Steelers fan.

by SteelersGO on Nov 27, 2007 10:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea
True, for sure.

As you know, when you watch these games and follow the team so closely, its hard to just not share your thoughts on a game (even if they arent relevant to the bigger picture).

I agree though, on to next week. We all expected a win this week, and I said as much in my preview that tonight would not tell us much about this team.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 27, 2007 2:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

one more thing
Let me say to those who think I'm painting an overly rosy picture of tonight's game: there was plenty of negatives from tonight which will be discussed tomorrow. The internals of this team are still concerning, I just firmly believe (as do most of you guys) that tonight was not a fair barometer of which to judge our progress.

Still to come: kudos to the short passing game and Hines Ward's ability to still be a good possesion receiver; concerns that Arians may not be the right guy for the job; commentary on Porter's monster game; how the field conditions confused our staff's game-management decision making, and my opinion that a TD on our promising first drive might have led to an entirely different outcome

by Blitzburgh on Nov 27, 2007 3:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roethlisberger was to blame on the INT
I'll post the pictures in a little bit to prove this. He never looks at his second or third options. It's sad.

by Big7BenMVP on Nov 27, 2007 3:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly
They showed on the coverage that Hines was his third read. He looked at both tight ends first before checking down to Ward.
"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Nov 27, 2007 8:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
I actually thought Ben was doing a pretty good job most of the game with his reads. This INT was definitely his fault but still.

by Cotter on Nov 27, 2007 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ward wasn't a checkdown
And he never looked left or even to the middle of the field where the tight ends were.

He made up his mind long before the ball was snapped.

by Big7BenMVP on Nov 27, 2007 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you Blitzburgh
I made up my mind in the first half that I wouldn't watch any film of this game. The field conditions were beyond bad and hopefully will make the Rooneys do something with that field. Just a few thoughts:
  • The next step for Big Ben is learning when to throw the ball away. He's taken a mini-step in that he will now take a sack rather than try to force the ball in a bad situation. Now, he needs to take another full step and learn how to throw the ball away instead of taking a sack. Three sacks tonight were due to him holding on to the ball too long.
  • I didn't hear Max Starks or Jason Taylor's name mentioned too much, which was a good thing for the Steelers. Starks did miss a blitz pickup on an an outside DB, but even if he would have picked him up, the other DB coming with him would have still got to Ben. Colon is having a tough stretch. I think he should be moved to guard next year to compete with K. Simmons and Chris K. I'm still not convinced that Starks is the long-time answer at LT or RT, but he definitely made himself some money tonight. It just won't be from Pittsburgh.
  • Teams are blitzing 2 DB's off the same corner at the same time to the left while having an DE or OLB line up on the outside of Colon's shoulder on the right side to keep Ben from scrambling right. Coaches are betting Ben will hold on to the ball long enough for 1 of the DB's to get there. The Steelers haven't picked it up yet, so expect to see it every game from here on out.
  • 5 sacks for the Browns. 7 sacks for the Jets. 5 sacks for the Dolphins. Something is terribly, terribly wrong. Even leaving in the TE's tonight didn't help a whole lot. The answer is the Steelers need better lineman and a QB who will throw the ball away. Too bad they will get neither this year.
  • I don't think those 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 losses were as much on Najeh as it was on our OL. They not only didn't get any movement but Najeh got hit both times about 3 yards from the line of scrimmage by more than one defensive player.  Also, why didn't they have Kreider back there as a lead blocker on both of those?
  • I like the use of Timmons on 3rd downs in the nickel package. The alignment gives them 4 LBs in the game instead of 3, which means there is an extra LB in there to help against the run. Timmons is still better in coverage right now than he is rushing the passer. However, he'll be better for the experience next year.
  • I was flipping channels all night, so someone will have to fill me in on how the kickoff coverage team looked on both times that the Steelers kicked off. How was it?
That's all for me. Let's get some people healthy and bring on the Bungles.

by datruth4life on Nov 27, 2007 3:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

good stuff
The day Ben learns to throw the ball away after 3-4 seconds, he might be unstoppable.

Kickoff coverage was a non issue because they kicked line drive kicks than never got more than 5 yards off the ground.

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Nov 27, 2007 8:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By my count
at least 2 of the 5 sacks were due to Ben holding on  to the ball too long, trying to make a play. All I can say is at least he didn't force it into coverage and end up throwing a pick.

by Cotter on Nov 27, 2007 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too many options are bad
I agree that Ben is too long in the pocket.  Although I respect that he likes to make sure his options are open, as fast as coverage converges, the quicker his options close.  He needs to choose quickly and cleanly and his hesitancy is what sets him apart from Brady.
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by SteelersGO on Nov 27, 2007 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree entirely.
This certainly was a football game, and probably a football game as football was meant to be played, but not one any NFL team was prepared for.

Really, there's nothing to be concerned about. The Steelers had plenty of scoring opportunities and better field position, but couldn't convert anything. Miami had nothing all day. Clearly, one team had a superior offense and a superior defense. The fact that the actual score was so close can be blamed entirely on the weather.

Oh, and Blitzburgh, I hope you're happy about one thing; you finally got to see that clutch, late-game-winning, Jeff Reed field goal you've been hoping for this season.

by HinesField on Nov 27, 2007 8:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hehe
Nice memory.

If I'm not willing to fixate on the negatives from this game, I guess I can't hold on to the positives either. I want a Spikey game-winner against NE on the road!

by Blitzburgh on Nov 27, 2007 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

worst field condition I've ever seen
The line, running game, and passing game shouldn't be evaluated much because any kind of traction in that field was non existant.

The Rooney's have strived to put the best team on the field for the past 75 years, I can only hope that they decide to do the same in regards to the playing surface.

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Nov 27, 2007 8:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Steelers in the slop
Well, after last week I was almost too terrified to watch the game against the desperate Dolphins.  Having survived the scare I can only say that the Steelers were better than the Fins in horrible conditions.  The previously noted 'Areas of Concern'- a) OL run blocking b) OL pass protection c) QB decision making under stress and d) pass rush have been justifiably placed into the 'Inadequate to win a Championship' column.

I know this sounds harsh but the proof is in the pudding.  Blitzburgh tried to rationalize the sack stats as being equal due to the weather.  The reason the Fins gave up 4 sacks is because they are terrible - they are in fact winless.  The reason the Steelers gave up 5 is that they are equally poor up front.  It is easier to pass block in the mud because the lighter, faster DE players can not generate the needed explosion off the ball in one on one situations to beat the O lineman.  As long as the OL don't slip and fall, they have the advantage.  Look no further than J Taylor and his inability to get upfield even though he is the better athlete.

The stunt and blitz overload mentioned to Roeth's left side is being used for 2 reasons - the OL can't pick it up but more importantly neither can our QB.  Blitz recognition is vital by all offensive players, especially the QB.  Roeth is still young and I believe he is talented, but his continued mental development is what is required for him to become an all-pro.  He's twice the athlete of Payton Manning, but Manning wins on mental accumen and a good but average arm, not on his ability to run, make people miss or natural talent as a football player.  In other words, you could see Roethlisberger having the ability to play TE perhaps but Manning could never play anywhere else but QB.

The Steeler defense played a good game but that should be expected against the Dolphins.  No real complaints as the Dolphins could not mount any long drives.  Their one drive in the 4th qtr. looked like real trouble for the Steelers but the Dolphins suddenly remembered they were the Dolphins with the game on the line.

The most depressing thing to watch was the seeming 23 possessions in the Dolphins side of the 50 yd. line resulting in no touchdowns. No matter the weather, they should have scored 2 TD's given their opportunities.  Most galling thing about the Steelers running game - way too many slow developing counter type plays, especially with Najeh Slug Meat running the ball.  Why can the Steelers not run downhill plays right now - no pulling guard, no counter action, no delays??  Parker is F-A-S-T by all standards, get an outside zone play going like Denver has always run so well... something off-tackle or outside they can execute 7-10 times a game...

Still not sold on this coaching staff.  I mentioned after last week's game the spectre of the Rooney Rule and the hiring of Tomlin.  I don't believe it's the only reason but it may have been the tipping point in the decision.  I like his no-nonsense approach and the guts to go for it on 4th down.  Boy, that was embarassing for him and the offense.  I think going for it is admirable and at least once it was clearly the right decision.  The fact that they were stuffed what - 4 times from my recollection - on 3rd or 4th down plays and less than 2 yds to go shows that the OL is not dominant in any phase.  It also shows that Arians is not prepared with a play-action pass or other solution when needed.  I don't care if Roethlisberger is more happy or has more freedom under Arians and neither does anyone else in the end.  Are they producing with the talent they have?  I say they are not. The OL is not dominant so they need to develop plays which take advantage of their athletes outside - bubble screen, tunnel (jailbreak) screen, quick routes from bunch formations, whatever the hell else they can think of.  Pounding the rock is futile at this point.  Bend the offense to the strength of the players!!

Sorry for the black cloud but that's how I see it after 20+ years coaching HS football...

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Nov 27, 2007 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OL vs DL
I actually thought the defensive players would have an advantage in the mud because the aggressor would have an easier time trying to push a guy back than an OL trying to 'dig in his heels' and stop a rush.

I do agree totally on the offense needing to be built around the players instead of the players trying to fit in the offense. As good as Ben is outside of the pocket I wouldn't mind seeing some designed rollouts on short yardage plays so that he could test the defense with his legs when he only has a couple yards to pick up.

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Nov 27, 2007 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The field
I agree with HinesField that this game was probably closer to what old school football was like than anything we've seen in years.  That said, it obviously doesn't fit what the majority of fans look for these days.  With the conditions, and letting the Dolphins hang around like they did, I was worried the Steelers would lose again.  But, they pulled it out, and hopefully they will look much better next week against the Bungles.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 27, 2007 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Arians as OC
That's another issue that we may need to examine in the offseason.  Arians doesn't seem to put us in the best positions to win.  Maybe we can get Cam Cameron as our OC after the Dolphins fire him this year. Just a thought.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 27, 2007 11:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure about that?
Has the offense not improved from last season?  It's easy to quickly judge Arians. But think about the whole body of work, not just the bad calls.

by Cotter on Nov 27, 2007 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I think you're right that the offense has improved overall, but some of the timing of some calls leaves you shaking your head.  But, I guess they can't all be Bill Walsh, can they?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 27, 2007 7:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Faneca
Why aren't we all talking about Faneca?  He's the central figure here, but since he's not coming back, what can we really expect from him? ??????
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by SteelersGO on Nov 27, 2007 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bright spot
Now the Steelers own the 2 lowest scoring games on MNF ever.

Last night - 3
Last year against Jacksonville - 9

Did anyone else notice that nearly every time Heath Miller lined up on the line he wouldn't put his hand on the ground during a pass play? He would on a running play and I'm just wondering how much of a tip off that was for the Phins.

"The more violent team will win tonight" - Mike Tomlin.

by cgolden on Nov 27, 2007 11:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Miller
hurt us on those 2 false start penalties.  

I'm not going to take much from this game except that we need better field management!!!!  Good lord, what the hell are they doing?  Don't schedule so many games, have better drainage, get a clue!

"It's time to plant some seeds. What that means is, hit them in the mouth. Ya know, plant some seeds. Show 'em what time it is." --Levon Kirkland

by steelerinchicago on Nov 27, 2007 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting
interesting observation. i didn't notice that.

btw, that offensive interference call against Heath was BS. I see receivers do that each and every week in this league.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 27, 2007 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I noticed that too.  Mentioned it to my wife that at least we won the lowest scoring game in MNF history instead of being the losers on the previous low.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 27, 2007 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that field
was a flat out embarrasment.

by steelerark on Nov 27, 2007 12:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Blitzburgh knows his shit.
Bread and butter = running the football. No matter how cute we get with the offensive fireworks, we need production from Willie Parker.

Plus, this was just a miserable game. Impossible to "analyze" for any kind of constructive feedback. I myself strongly considered just titling my game recap post "Nothing To See Here."

Great work Blitzburgh!

by Cotter on Nov 27, 2007 12:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thanks brother
My apologies to all for the long-winded rambling diatribes, but oh well, I had verbal diarrhea and just put it out there for us.

by Blitzburgh on Nov 27, 2007 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like Bobby Brown once said
That's your prerogative man. Your blog, your rules. It may be long winded, but no less valuable.  

Well, come to think of it - I guess Bobby Brown said "it's my prerogative," but you know what I mean...

by Cotter on Nov 27, 2007 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arians Post
Guys, I think Arians has done a pretty good job with the offense this year. Now, if he can convince Ben to throw the ball away if no one is open, that'd benefit everyone. The problem with this team is still its OL and, until they prove differently, coverage teams.

Hey, anyone notice how Timmons was used on 3rd downs? I still want to see Lebeau use his 4-lineman, 2 linebacker package some as well. His 2-4-5 D last night was effective.  

by datruth4life on Nov 27, 2007 8:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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