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Are The Steelers the New Bengals? Madden's Commentary Gains Traction With Cedric Wilson incident.

Here's a scenario you don't have to imagine: Four current Steelers have been involved in domestic abuse cases, namely Santonio Holmes, Najeh Davenport, Cedrick Wilson and (most recently) James Harrison, who has admitted to striking his girlfriend.

The response has been underwhelming.

TV coverage has been minimal. The newspaper articles that did appear were mostly concerned with the possibility that the NFL might suspend Harrison, last year's team MVP. This is about wins and losses, after all. There's been no comment from the Steelers organization. They want this to go away.

It will.

But the stories are out there, mostly on the down-low.

That was an excerpt from a column written Monday by Mark Madden of the Beaver County Times and Allegheny Times. I read the article at the time and mulled over his argument. I decided not to write about it, but just a few days later, in the wake of Cedric Wilson's latest run-in with the law, it's time to acknowledge that Madden's commentary is relevant.

Madden continues:

Make no mistake, this is epidemic. Steelers fans glory in knocking the Cincinnati Bengals for all their legal peccadilloes, but eight percent of the Steelers' roster has been involved in domestic abuse. Yet few seem to care. There is zero public rancor.

Making the situation more ironic is the club-fueled myth that the Steelers don't employ bad apples, they strive for a better class of people. There is no lower class of person than a domestic abuser.

Well, what can you say. The figures are the figures but he's leaving out a few facts. First of all, Santonio Holmes had the charges dropped against him. Say what you will about the legal system working differently for athletes and celebrities, but the bottom line is our legal system exists for a reason. It's there to punish and reform violators of the law. If there is evidence that suggests that no crime was committed, charges are dropped. There are countless examples of athletes, far more famous than Santonio for that matter, being forced to do the time for their wrongdoings; Santonio was not one of them, and we must presume it was for legitimate reasons.

Najeh Davenport entered into a plead of not-guilty for his incident, so we'll see what comes of that. And we recently discussed James Harrison's incident. As a first-time offense, it's not fair to categorize him as a wreckless citizen and teammate just yet. He succumbed to fit of rage, snapped a woman's cell phone in half, and proceeded to slap her. Unacceptable, but not characteristic of a man who is necessarily wrecklessly violent. I'm not trying to sugar-coat things here. This isn't good, but did anybody read a recent report that roughly 1% of Americans are currently behind bars? An alarming figure to me. People from all walks make mistakes and suffer the legal consequences. There is at least one person in the Steelers family (or at least was in the family) that has a recurring problem, Cedric Wilson. That's it though. Let's take a look at the Bengals arrested since winning the 2005 AFC North Championship:  

Odell Thurman:  Driving while intoxicated.

Frostee Rucker:  Spousal battery.

A.J. Nicholson:  Burglary and grand theft.

Eric Steinbach:  Boating under the influence.

Matthias Askew:  Resisting arrest.

Reggie McNeal:  Resisting arrest.

Deltha O'Neal:  Driving while intoxicated.

Chris Henry:  "unlawful transaction with a minor (three counts), speeding, operating a vehicle under the influence, felony possession of a concealed firearm, possession of marijuana. First arrest was in December 2005" (ESPN.com).
(arrested Bengals list provided by ESPN.com).

Here we have a laundry list of players that are engaging in behavior that shows no regard for the well-being of the team or their individual futures. I have no idea how women treat guys like Najeh, Santonio, Cedric, and James. It's not as if we haven't heard countless stories of the gold-digging women out there preying on professional athletes. Who knows what kind of psychological games they play with these inherently aggressive men?

I'm rambling here but no matter how 'fanatical' I may be for the Steelers, I can still objectively say that I don't see an organizational problem here like I do with the Bengals. I see a troubled man (Wilson) that was disposed of; I see a young talented kid in Santonio who was cleared of all charges; and I see a guy in Davenport who has shown some judgment issues that was most likely just rented by the Steelers for a year or two.

Before we're ready to call the Steelers the Bengals, let's give Harrison another chance to prove his simple assault was a one-time thing. Let's see if the waters are choppy now that the one true basket-case has been ridded from the family. It may be unfair to label Cedric, but after this, we can at least say fairly that the man is far too easily provoked, and that's being generous. Let's see if Santonio stays committed to being one of the elite WRs in the game. There's trouble brewing at the surface, but with any high-profile entity or organization, even the slightest ripple will get noticed. Let's just hope it remains a ripple.

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wilson
Also not a guy we drafted.  Signed from the 49ers after the 2005 season.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

additional legal issues
The Steelers, like the Bengals, and all NFL teams for that matter, keep the criminal players when they are helping them win.  Most of the no name Bengal offenders were cut like Wilson, but guys like Henry and Harrison are kept.

Other offenses
Marvel Smith-multiple marijuana offenses

Trai Essex-disorderly conduct 2006

Larry Foote-disorderly contact 2003

Clark Haggans-0.24 BAL DUI.  He was caught chasing another motorist on foot.  He spent 10 days in jail 2003

Plaxico Burress-public intoxication, 2002  

by Panthers2500 on Mar 20, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Madden
This sounds like a good case of twisting facts to support your own opinion.

Holmes - charges were dropped

Harrison - as far as we know this was an isolated incident

Dookie - I can't argue with him, he actually has a history (college) and they still signed him

Ced - two incidents in the past couple of months after an entire career of being a model citizen

One of the things that really bugs me about the Bengals is that they drafted guys that already had displayed questionable characters and then act suprised when they screw up again. They also refuse to cut they guys when they do continue to get in trouble (Chris Henry).

by cgolden on Mar 20, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Santonios past
This sounds like a good case of twisting facts to support your own opinion.

Holmes - charges were dropped

As an Ohio State fan, I remember that Santonio Holmes had another altercation in 2003 where he was accused of assulting four women.  Not Santonio's first beush with the law.

Harrison - as far as we know this was an isolated incident

Breaking down a door and ripping apart a cell phone when a woman is trying to dial 911 is unacceptable isolated incident or not.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
So there was one player they've drafted with a previous issue.  Sounds like you're reaching.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 24, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Madden?? Beaver County Times???????
Wow.. who is this guy.. I think I will take the Great Rapper stance on this one.. Some mook from the Beaver County Times is talkin junk on the Steelers.. He does not dignify nor deserve a response.

by smashmouthsteel on Mar 20, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol
pretty much what I was thinking but I thought I'd tie my thoughts into something.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One other point
Were there known issues about any of those players before they came to the Steelers?  Not that I know.  In at least one case for the Bengals, I know there were previous issues.  Odell Thurman had more than one run-in with the law while at UGA, and I believe he was suspended for multiple games his last year in college (left after JR year, IIRC).  I don't remember details, but I believe Chris Henry also had issues before the Bengals drafted him.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see
that several responses came while I was distracted by work. :)

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea
Frostee Rucker had bigtime warning flags attached to him. Only guy that had issues for us was Dookie, and that was for defacating in a girl's closet. Pretty suspect behavior, but not like brandishing a weapon.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There but for the grace of God go I
It would be silly for us or anyone else to kock the Bengals for their problems.  All of us keep our fingers crossed that our players can be positive citizens instead of creating negative headlines with misbehavior.  But the truth is, the Bengals could be us or anyone else.

We all want the best athletes.  Who are we kidding?  Are some teams more apt than others to take behavior risks?  Certainly.  But each risk is balanced against the gain, and in the end all teams are vulnerable to at least some degree.

Do the Steelers wish this and other blemishes would go away?  Of course they do.  We all do.  What's the shame in wishing problems would go away?  Do we tend to downplay and rationalize our own indiscrepancies and highlight our opponents?  Of course we and everything else are guilty of that.  Do you run and tell your neighbors when your kid gets in trouble in school, or do you tend to deal with it as quietly as possible?

Much of what Madden says is true, but that doesn't make him any less of the A-hole he's always been.  If he is accusing Steeler Nation of low-keying its dirty laundry, he is equally guilty of adding fuel to the fire in the opposite direction.  That's his style.

by maryrose on Mar 20, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea, +1
Total shock-jock. Typical big-mouth talk radio guy. Exactly what we're striving NOT to be at BTSC.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure
There's some truth to what you say, but again, the main difference is that the Steelers, as far as I can remember, have not taken chances on great talents who were also repeat offenders.  The Bengals have three that we've been able to talk about here off the top of our heads.  

That doesn't mean that Steelers never get in trouble.  And, the Steelers don't always cut players just for getting in trouble.  But, they don't go out and sign or draft repeat offenders.  There is a difference.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the Steelers aren't on the Bengals level
As mentioned in my second paragraph, some teams are more apt than others to take risks. We're all not on the same level, but we are certainly all vulnerable to some degree or another, as also mentioned.

by maryrose on Mar 20, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sports Radio - Jocks
I've actually banned all talk radio stations.. One day I realized they're entire existence is based on pissing you off and getting a rise out of you..  It's not about discussion and ideas.. It's about making people frustrated to the point things get out of hand, I.E. train wrecks are exciting - disgusting - but you just can't turn away..

by smashmouthsteel on Mar 20, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure
we are talking about this in the right way.  If we say things like, "isolated incident" and we're not as bad as the Bengals, that is just sweeping it under the carpet.  

I think these types of incidents should be dealt with.  Coach Tomlin should come out and say something to the affect that his employees have disgraced the company, that these things won't be tolerated.  And just because Harrison is head and shoulders above Wilson it doesn't mean he should get special treatment.  Look how well it has helped the Bengals.  

"It's time to plant some seeds. What that means is, hit them in the mouth. Ya know, plant some seeds. Show 'em what time it is." --Levon Kirkland

by steelerinchicago on Mar 20, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sigh
I think you're right SIC. In my haste to write something, I wasn't read to say anything that could come across as pompous. The actions recently have disgracted the company and organization, you said it well. And I don't think J. Harrison deserves preferential treatment over Cedric (for same offenses). I do think the offenses were different, and there's obviously the issue of repeat offenses that is in play. I think Mr. Rooney might have been out of line in his justification.

I dunno. I'm a bit embarassed but I guess I just feel that when you're dealing with 53 20-36 year old men, many of whom who are probably on steroids or HGH, there's going to be a few incidents of inappropriate responses to adversity and conflict off the field. Those are basically the stats for the general populace, and the average joe doesnt have sharks circling around trying to get a piece of their income or celebrity.

It's complicated. I'm too naive to have all the answers. I'm fine with how the Santonio issue was handled. I'm disappointed in Ced but have no issues in acknowledging that the team might have used this as the 'final straw', and I have no real problems with letting the court of law play itself out in regards to Davenport's situation. It's not really a matter of comparison to the Benglas with me. As mom's say: well, if you're friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it? Or I don't care how you did compared to the rest of the group. I want you to do your best.'

It's basically the same premise. We're not striving for some kind of lowest common denominator in terms of behavior, but at the same time, what can you say about a few young dudes with lots of cash and pressure blowing up around women who may very well be trying to get a tremendous rise out of our players.

Perhaps another topic for another day, but this might also be the a ripple effect of not keeping guys around that you know are good characters, but are too expensive. When you're CONSTANTLY rolling the dice in FA and HOPING you're drafting good conduct guys, there's going to be some slip-ups. Pre-free agency, you knew what you had with your group. You drafted guys and had them for the next decade. That's not the case anymore.

I appreciate the thought SIC.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 21, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rooney
B'n'G posted a response to Rooney's explanation of the difference between Wilson's and Harrison's arrests that was pretty scathing towards Rooney, but they took it down.  Here's what's left:

http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/blogngold/

Personally I can't believe Rooney said what he did, and I really don't think there's an excuse for it unless he's just an old coot.  I feel like Rooney was saying Wilson was cut because his incident was different, not because he was on the ledge already, which is pretty clearly a lie.  Just say the truth instead of making a moral issue out of it.  You're just not going to look good saying there's a "better" and "worse" way of hitting a woman.  

Nice quote, maryrose.  You're the man.  

BTW, we're forgetting the most notorious Steelers criminal, Richard Seigler, the Steelers pimp.

by BadMaafala on Mar 20, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rooney reaction
I think what would have made this a lot more palatable for me would be if the Rooney's or Tomlin had spoken out about Harrison right after it happened.  Condemning the action and talking about the team discipline imposed on him, whether that be a salary hit, or assigning anger management or community service or something to show that they strongly disapproved of this player's actions and were taking steps to correct it.

Then when Wilson came along we could have pointed to the actions we took with Harrison, combined with his value to the team as the reason the reactions were so different.

I think they dropped the ball with Harrison.  Cutting Wilson's fine, but as has been pointed out he was to be released anyway.

by Chicago Steeler on Mar 21, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
I don't think Harrison should be cut, but management needs to be more proactive, both internally and from a PR standpoint.
"It's time to plant some seeds. What that means is, hit them in the mouth. Ya know, plant some seeds. Show 'em what time it is." --Levon Kirkland

by steelerinchicago on Mar 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's put this in another context
My brother works in the number one public school system in the country. They deal with stuff that is as ugly and far uglier than what we're talking about here on a weekly basis. The difference? These incidents are reported in the media for all the world to see. If they were, believe me people would be howling to the heavens. My guess, sadly, is that what's happening here isn't out of proportion of what goes on in many (most) organizations. I can also say with a high level of confidence that a lot of crap gets swept under the rug as well, and not just with the players. Of course, maintaining a decent public image is part of the job. But as they say if you like good sausage you might want to look too closely at how its made. And if you want to think that the NFL is just a bunch of fresh scrubbed, milk drinkin', boy scouts from the owners suites to the trainers room...

by RickVa on Mar 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I meant
in the previous post to say the incidents are NOT reported in the media.

by RickVa on Mar 21, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My guess
Is that while clearly NFL incidents are widely published while truck driver incidents simply don't have the public attraction for any publicity, at the same time football players probably have a higher percentage of incident rates because of the nature of their profession.  They are trained to be physically aggressive.  When they don't get their way, they stand a higher chance of reacting physically than those of us who aren't physically inclined to violence in the first place.

Having said that, all NFL teams should mandate an anger management specialist to come in and talk to every team.  From there, individual players could then seek continued one-on-one sessions.

The NFL sends in the FBI every year to talk about gambling; they send in money managers to talk about protecting investments; they bring in others.  Perhaps the most importna t mandate would be an anger management specialist.

I'm not justifying any of their assaults and abuses, but if you thinmk abou7t what they are trained to do, what we cheer wildly for and what they receive positive reinforcement for, they really do need that specialized counseling.

by maryrose on Mar 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solid statement maryrose
Well said and sensible. NFL is in the business of promoting a kind of violence. And as we all know many of us are guilty of bringing our work home with us.

by RickVa on Mar 21, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mark Madden, Please shut up
Mark Madden is Pittsburgh's very own Skip Bayless which is why I never read his articles. Keep in mind, this is the man that said the Steelers will never win a championship again unless they sign Randy Moss and trade for Pacman Jones.

Yes the Steelers have had players in trouble with the law in recent years, but so has every team. I doubt you could find more than 4 teams who haven't had at least one player arrested or citation-ed since 2000. It's a league wide problem, let the league deal with it.

And even if the Steelers do have more players in trouble than others, no team will ever touch Cincy's record of 14 arrests in 9 months or something like that.

-Bobby thesportspanel.podbean.com

by antiman90 on Mar 22, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rooney...
Yes the Steelers have had players in trouble with the law in recent years, but so has every team. I doubt you could find more than 4 teams who haven't had at least one player arrested or citation-ed since 2000. It's a league wide problem, let the league deal with it.

Agreed, but I see the problem is that Rooney tried to somewhat excuse Harrison, which makes the Steelers orginization as a whole look like the Bengals.

by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 22, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So
because Rooney made a distinction between Harrison and Wilson, that's the equivalent of drafting multiple players with previous character issues and having 14 arrests in 9 months?

Whatever, dude.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 24, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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