Are The Steelers the New Bengals? Madden's Commentary Gains Traction With Cedric Wilson incident.
The response has been underwhelming.
TV coverage has been minimal. The newspaper articles that did appear were mostly concerned with the possibility that the NFL might suspend Harrison, last year's team MVP. This is about wins and losses, after all. There's been no comment from the Steelers organization. They want this to go away.
It will.
But the stories are out there, mostly on the down-low.
Madden continues:
Making the situation more ironic is the club-fueled myth that the Steelers don't employ bad apples, they strive for a better class of people. There is no lower class of person than a domestic abuser.
Najeh Davenport entered into a plead of not-guilty for his incident, so we'll see what comes of that. And we recently discussed James Harrison's incident. As a first-time offense, it's not fair to categorize him as a wreckless citizen and teammate just yet. He succumbed to fit of rage, snapped a woman's cell phone in half, and proceeded to slap her. Unacceptable, but not characteristic of a man who is necessarily wrecklessly violent. I'm not trying to sugar-coat things here. This isn't good, but did anybody read a recent report that roughly 1% of Americans are currently behind bars? An alarming figure to me. People from all walks make mistakes and suffer the legal consequences. There is at least one person in the Steelers family (or at least was in the family) that has a recurring problem, Cedric Wilson. That's it though. Let's take a look at the Bengals arrested since winning the 2005 AFC North Championship:
Odell Thurman: Driving while intoxicated.
Frostee Rucker: Spousal battery.
A.J. Nicholson: Burglary and grand theft.
Eric Steinbach: Boating under the influence.
Matthias Askew: Resisting arrest.
Reggie McNeal: Resisting arrest.
Deltha O'Neal: Driving while intoxicated.
Chris Henry: "unlawful transaction with a minor (three counts), speeding, operating a vehicle under the influence, felony possession of a concealed firearm, possession of marijuana. First arrest was in December 2005" (ESPN.com).
(arrested Bengals list provided by ESPN.com).
Here we have a laundry list of players that are engaging in behavior that shows no regard for the well-being of the team or their individual futures. I have no idea how women treat guys like Najeh, Santonio, Cedric, and James. It's not as if we haven't heard countless stories of the gold-digging women out there preying on professional athletes. Who knows what kind of psychological games they play with these inherently aggressive men?
I'm rambling here but no matter how 'fanatical' I may be for the Steelers, I can still objectively say that I don't see an organizational problem here like I do with the Bengals. I see a troubled man (Wilson) that was disposed of; I see a young talented kid in Santonio who was cleared of all charges; and I see a guy in Davenport who has shown some judgment issues that was most likely just rented by the Steelers for a year or two.
Before we're ready to call the Steelers the Bengals, let's give Harrison another chance to prove his simple assault was a one-time thing. Let's see if the waters are choppy now that the one true basket-case has been ridded from the family. It may be unfair to label Cedric, but after this, we can at least say fairly that the man is far too easily provoked, and that's being generous. Let's see if Santonio stays committed to being one of the elite WRs in the game. There's trouble brewing at the surface, but with any high-profile entity or organization, even the slightest ripple will get noticed. Let's just hope it remains a ripple.
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by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
additional legal issues
Other offenses
Marvel Smith-multiple marijuana offenses
Trai Essex-disorderly conduct 2006
Larry Foote-disorderly contact 2003
Clark Haggans-0.24 BAL DUI. He was caught chasing another motorist on foot. He spent 10 days in jail 2003
Plaxico Burress-public intoxication, 2002
by Panthers2500 on Mar 20, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madden
Holmes - charges were dropped
Harrison - as far as we know this was an isolated incident
Dookie - I can't argue with him, he actually has a history (college) and they still signed him
Ced - two incidents in the past couple of months after an entire career of being a model citizen
One of the things that really bugs me about the Bengals is that they drafted guys that already had displayed questionable characters and then act suprised when they screw up again. They also refuse to cut they guys when they do continue to get in trouble (Chris Henry).
by cgolden on Mar 20, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Santonios past
Holmes - charges were dropped
As an Ohio State fan, I remember that Santonio Holmes had another altercation in 2003 where he was accused of assulting four women. Not Santonio's first beush with the law.
Harrison - as far as we know this was an isolated incident
Breaking down a door and ripping apart a cell phone when a woman is trying to dial 911 is unacceptable isolated incident or not.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 22, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 24, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madden?? Beaver County Times???????
by smashmouthsteel on Mar 20, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One other point
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That had been a while before
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way way way before
by cgolden on Mar 20, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There but for the grace of God go I
We all want the best athletes. Who are we kidding? Are some teams more apt than others to take behavior risks? Certainly. But each risk is balanced against the gain, and in the end all teams are vulnerable to at least some degree.
Do the Steelers wish this and other blemishes would go away? Of course they do. We all do. What's the shame in wishing problems would go away? Do we tend to downplay and rationalize our own indiscrepancies and highlight our opponents? Of course we and everything else are guilty of that. Do you run and tell your neighbors when your kid gets in trouble in school, or do you tend to deal with it as quietly as possible?
Much of what Madden says is true, but that doesn't make him any less of the A-hole he's always been. If he is accusing Steeler Nation of low-keying its dirty laundry, he is equally guilty of adding fuel to the fire in the opposite direction. That's his style.
by maryrose on Mar 20, 2008 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea, +1
by Blitzburgh on Mar 20, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
That doesn't mean that Steelers never get in trouble. And, the Steelers don't always cut players just for getting in trouble. But, they don't go out and sign or draft repeat offenders. There is a difference.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2008 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the Steelers aren't on the Bengals level
by maryrose on Mar 20, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sports Radio - Jocks
by smashmouthsteel on Mar 20, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I think these types of incidents should be dealt with. Coach Tomlin should come out and say something to the affect that his employees have disgraced the company, that these things won't be tolerated. And just because Harrison is head and shoulders above Wilson it doesn't mean he should get special treatment. Look how well it has helped the Bengals.
by steelerinchicago on Mar 20, 2008 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sigh
I dunno. I'm a bit embarassed but I guess I just feel that when you're dealing with 53 20-36 year old men, many of whom who are probably on steroids or HGH, there's going to be a few incidents of inappropriate responses to adversity and conflict off the field. Those are basically the stats for the general populace, and the average joe doesnt have sharks circling around trying to get a piece of their income or celebrity.
It's complicated. I'm too naive to have all the answers. I'm fine with how the Santonio issue was handled. I'm disappointed in Ced but have no issues in acknowledging that the team might have used this as the 'final straw', and I have no real problems with letting the court of law play itself out in regards to Davenport's situation. It's not really a matter of comparison to the Benglas with me. As mom's say: well, if you're friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it? Or I don't care how you did compared to the rest of the group. I want you to do your best.'
It's basically the same premise. We're not striving for some kind of lowest common denominator in terms of behavior, but at the same time, what can you say about a few young dudes with lots of cash and pressure blowing up around women who may very well be trying to get a tremendous rise out of our players.
Perhaps another topic for another day, but this might also be the a ripple effect of not keeping guys around that you know are good characters, but are too expensive. When you're CONSTANTLY rolling the dice in FA and HOPING you're drafting good conduct guys, there's going to be some slip-ups. Pre-free agency, you knew what you had with your group. You drafted guys and had them for the next decade. That's not the case anymore.
I appreciate the thought SIC.
by Blitzburgh on Mar 21, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rooney
http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/blogngold/
Personally I can't believe Rooney said what he did, and I really don't think there's an excuse for it unless he's just an old coot. I feel like Rooney was saying Wilson was cut because his incident was different, not because he was on the ledge already, which is pretty clearly a lie. Just say the truth instead of making a moral issue out of it. You're just not going to look good saying there's a "better" and "worse" way of hitting a woman.
Nice quote, maryrose. You're the man.
BTW, we're forgetting the most notorious Steelers criminal, Richard Seigler, the Steelers pimp.
by BadMaafala on Mar 20, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rooney reaction
Then when Wilson came along we could have pointed to the actions we took with Harrison, combined with his value to the team as the reason the reactions were so different.
I think they dropped the ball with Harrison. Cutting Wilson's fine, but as has been pointed out he was to be released anyway.
by Chicago Steeler on Mar 21, 2008 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by steelerinchicago on Mar 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's put this in another context
by RickVa on Mar 21, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant
by RickVa on Mar 21, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Having said that, all NFL teams should mandate an anger management specialist to come in and talk to every team. From there, individual players could then seek continued one-on-one sessions.
The NFL sends in the FBI every year to talk about gambling; they send in money managers to talk about protecting investments; they bring in others. Perhaps the most importna t mandate would be an anger management specialist.
I'm not justifying any of their assaults and abuses, but if you thinmk abou7t what they are trained to do, what we cheer wildly for and what they receive positive reinforcement for, they really do need that specialized counseling.
by maryrose on Mar 21, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid statement maryrose
by RickVa on Mar 21, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mark Madden, Please shut up
Yes the Steelers have had players in trouble with the law in recent years, but so has every team. I doubt you could find more than 4 teams who haven't had at least one player arrested or citation-ed since 2000. It's a league wide problem, let the league deal with it.
And even if the Steelers do have more players in trouble than others, no team will ever touch Cincy's record of 14 arrests in 9 months or something like that.
by antiman90 on Mar 22, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rooney...
Agreed, but I see the problem is that Rooney tried to somewhat excuse Harrison, which makes the Steelers orginization as a whole look like the Bengals.
by Bernie19Kosar on Mar 22, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
Whatever, dude.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 24, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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