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Where Roethlisberger Ranks All Time Statistically

I Just joined and saw the Story about Ben Vs the other QBs in the game. But I guess the topic has been closed, so I would like to provide facts to back up that Roethlisberger historically is the 3rd best in the game today and closing in on Brady and Manning. I see some people talking about how Eli, or Palmer should be listed as better than Ben.

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To start out, I would like to say that Yards, Touchdowns, and Interceptions are meaningless unless you look at number of attempts, which most people never do.

Lets Compare all time Ranks:

Yards Per Attempt
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Roethlisberger: 8.1 (4th All Time - #1 Active)
P. Manning: 7.7 (11th All time - #3 Active)
Palmer: 7.3 (35th All Time - #7 Active)
Brady: 7.2 (45th All Time - #8 Active)
E. Manning: 6.3(180th All time - #30 Active)

Completion %
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P. Manning: 64.2 (4th All time - #3 Active)
Palmer: 64.1 (5th All time - #4 Active)
Roethlisberger: 63.2 (9th All time - #8 Active)
Brady: 63.0 (11th All time - #9 Active)
E. Manning: 54.7 (107 All time - #31 Active)

Touchdown %
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Roethlisberger: 5.8 (18th All time - #1 Active)
P. Manning: 5.7 (2nd Active - #21 All time)
Brady: 5.4 (28th All time - #3 Active)
Palmer: 5.1 (38th All time - #4 Active)
E. Manning: 4.3 (90th All time - #16 Active)

Rating
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P. Manning: 94.7 (2nd All time - #1 Active)
Brady: 92.9 (4th All time - #3 Active)
Roethlisberger: 92.5 (5th All time - #4 Active)
Palmer: 90.1 (7th All time - #5 Active)
E. Manning: 73.4 (102 All time - #27 Active)

As you can see, Eli shouldn't even be mentioned with these other QB's. Brady's numbers were average before this past year.

But what is even more amazing out of this, is that Roethlisbergers 2006 season where he had his face rebuilt dipped his numbers a lot. Without that year, Roethlisberger would be number one all time in Rating, 2nd All time in Yards Per attempt, 3rd All time in Completion %, and still number one active in Touchdown %.

And yet some people think guys like Garrard and Romo who have only started for 1 and 2 years each are better.

The 2005 playoffs, from the Cincy game to the Denver game was the 4th best 3 game stretch a QB has ever had in Post Season History.

Last, keep in mind Roethlisberger has the worst OLine out of all these guys and only an average WR core. He doesn't have the luxury of two pro bowl WR's and multiple Pro Bowl Lineman like the others have had.

The only thing keeping Roethlisberger from reaching number 1 or 2 QB status are his interceptions. But this past year that number went way down. But even if he throws more INTs then other QBs, he can make up for it quickly which most QBs can not do. The Jax playoff game is a great example. Threw 3 first half INTs and still lead his team back into the lead with an amazing second half.

I have some other statistics and facts that back things up that I can present later. Some of the numbers I have are 3rd downs, playing from behind etc. Both of which Roethlisberger is the best in the NFL at(With enough sample size).

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interesting
thanks for the post

by schnifin on Apr 6, 2008 2:17 AM EDT   0 recs

great stuff
i have another part coming soon in the Ben compared to other QBs you'll find interesting.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 6, 2008 3:42 PM EDT   0 recs

very good stuff indeed
You two should work together on some cool stuff :)

by Blitzburgh on Apr 6, 2008 5:00 PM EDT   0 recs

I've got more
I've got a lot of good stuff I have researched since the beginning of the 07 NFL year. I have some stuff such as about 12 Different QBs and there Win/Loss record when achieving a 130+, 100-130, 90-100, 70-90, <70 rating.

Basically, I found out, the rating statistic is VERY important if you want to win.

For instance, when Brady has an individual game rating of 100+, he is 64-1.

by jason97673 on Apr 6, 2008 7:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

this isn't baseball
you can't judge a QB sinply by numbers, far too many intangibles to be considered that can't be quantified by stats.

by Terry on Apr 6, 2008 7:51 PM EDT   0 recs

You're right but
When you have a 64-1 record with a rating of 100 or more, that tells A LOT.

by jason97673 on Apr 6, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow
Thats wild. 64-1 huh? Id say thats very suggestive data.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 6, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction
Must of got my numbers wrong, but he is actually 44-1. Which is still amazing. I get my data from Pro-Football-Reference Simply sort by rating and look at the W/L on the left.

by jason97673 on Apr 7, 2008 1:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whoops
just a mistype.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 7, 2008 1:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah
and I sent you an email

by jason97673 on Apr 7, 2008 1:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also
Roethlisberger has these "intangibles" on his side as well.

Reason being is that he puts up these types of numbers with a horrible offensive line, an average WR core, an OK running game, and a good defense.

Run game is only OK as the team gets a lot of yards but on a lot of carries while teams like the Jags and Vikes get a lot of yards but on much less carries.

The other QBs have had really good OLines and Pro Bowl talent at WR.

by jason97673 on Apr 6, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what!!
did you just say you cant judge a QB by numbers.  not more than a week ago you were all about Romo and how he is better than Ben because of his numbers. now you state that you cant judge them by numbers. Talk about intangibles, i think Ben and Romo are pretty equal in intangibles with a slight edge going to ben because of his size.  So if you cant judge a QB by numbers then romo shouldnt even be in the same breath as Ben.  not trying to start an up roar just need more clarification on what you are trying to prove.
* till next time wave those towels proud

by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Apr 7, 2008 2:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I meant to reply to terry
but for some reason it didnt link up to terry's comment so this is directed to terry fyi to all
* till next time wave those towels proud

by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Apr 7, 2008 2:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

About Romo
I know your not replying to me, but thought I would add I personally like Romo because Romo and roethlisberger are alike in a lot of ways.

Both appear to always be looking for the big play rather than check down, Both have very high yards per attempt, Both have nearly the same rating if not for Bens injured year.

Romo has more "speed" but is not as big as Ben so he doesnt break the tackles or sacks like Ben does.

If Romo has another year like his first two, he will  be considered a top 4 QB, with Manning, Brady, Ben, and Romo. Only thing keeping him down there is that he hasn't done it long enough. One bad season can make his numbers dip alot, as they did to Roethlisberger after 2006.

by jason97673 on Apr 7, 2008 2:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree
but my argument wasnt that i do not like Romo my argument is that terry was all about the numbers before, and that by him saying that numbers do not mean anything contradicts what hes been saying about QB all along i used Romo as an example because lets face it the dude got more man love towards Romo than Jessica Simpson does.
* till next time wave those towels proud

by LiveinDCbutsteelerfanbyheart on Apr 7, 2008 7:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I never said numbers don't mean anything
I said you can't judge a football player soley on numbers like you can in baseball, intangibles are just as if not more important in football because it really is the ultimate team sport.

by Terry on Apr 8, 2008 12:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't really judge any player solely
on numbers.  Even a baseball player who hits .380 could choke in the playoffs.  Or even if he hits .380 in the playoffs, he could choke in that key spot where he is counted on to get a hit to tie or win.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 8, 2008 9:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Generally
when a player is the top 5 in several statistical categories at the end of his career, he's considered one of the greats.  

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 12:21 PM EDT   0 recs

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