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Part III: A Quantitative Comparison of Big Ben and Other QBs Mega Contracts

TheMostViolentTeam presents the third installment of his analysis of Ben Roethlisberger's new contract, this time creating a metric that examines what kind of value, in terms of wins, that a number of teams have gotten and can expect in the future, from their franchise QBs. The QB of course is only one man on the field, but they certainly have a big hand in the outcome of games. As was the case in the first two submissions, TMVT has done all the research and writing, while I have merely helped present the data in a shiny, digestable format. Enjoy.

-Blitz-

In parts I and II we took an in-depth look at the contracts of the top QBs in the NFL, and how they compared to Ben's new contract. My theory was that while all the contracts may vary in terms of absolute total/guaranteed dollars and years, the per year numbers for the contract, as a function of cap allotment, would be very similar, and thus give us an appropriate barometer to measure Ben's contract by. What we found was that most of the top QB's took anywhere from 8-14% in terms of raw dollars of the cap allotment (NOT the cap hit), in the year the contract was signed, with most of them hovering around the 10% mark. Thus we judged that Roethlisberger's contract was on par with the other top signal-callers around the league. Lastly, and most importantly we'll take a look at the projected performance of all these top quarterbacks, and how it relates to how much money they are being paid.

To do this I created a statistic called Dollars Per Win. What this inteds to tell us is how much a team is paying their star QB for each win they can be expected to generate in the future based on past performance. It can be broken out to show how much total (i.e. total contract value divided by projected future wins), and guaranteed (guaranteed portion of contract divided by projected wins) money a team is spending on its QB. Also, since it is unlikely a quarterback earns every single dollar of the contract, and equally unlikely that he only earns the bare guaranteed minimum, we'll take the mean of the two numbers (total and guaranteed contract amounts) and divide that by projected future wins to come up with an average-type number based on the assumption the QB is more likely to earn somewhere in between his total and guaranteed contract figure. This statistic is fairly easy to come up with, all we need is the quarterbacks career win percentage (I used regular season only), number of years their contract is for, and number of games in a season.

For an example of how the formula works we will use Drew Brees:

To calculate his winning percentage I look at his entire career (which includes those games he's already played on his current contract). His W-L record is 39-35 for a winning percentage of 52.7% (.527). Now, because this number includes 2006 and 2007, which are played on his current contract, so you might say, "well we shouldn't include that in his winning percentage", except, his winning percentage without those two years is nearly identical, at %52.4 (.5238).  I checked this with some other QBs and found the same. Thus, I felt comfortable using their entire career winning percentage, THEN going back from the start of their main contract (if they've already played on it) and projecting how many wins they SHOULD (or should have) generate(d) from that point on.

Brees signed a 6 year deal, so we project for him (6 years * 16 games = 96 games * .527 win pct) = 51 wins. Over the course of his deal Brees should expect to win 51 games. Brees contract pays $60 million total, $20 guaranteed, and thus the average contract number we'll use is $40 million. So we calculate:

$60 million/ 51 wins = $1.18 million (total) dollars per win

$20 million/ 51 wins =  $.39 million (guaranteed) dollars per win

$40 million/ 51 wins =  $.78 million (mean) dollars per win

So for each win basically New Orleans is paying Brees $1.18 million dollars in total money, or $.39 million in guaranteed money, or $.78 million when we look at a "average" number that is more likely to be earned than the base guaranteed amount and the top total amount. Let's see how the other top QBs size up.

Projected Wins and Dollars Per Win Stats for Top-Tier QBs:

  • Firstly, how does Ben Roethlisberger stack up from a value perspective?  Well, the numbers look pretty darn good. He has the 3rd best winning percentage; the 3rd best guaranteed dollars per win rating, and 4th best in total and mean dollars.
  • As expected, Brady has the highest win percentage, and considering he didn't sign a gargantuan deal like Palmer or Manning, his Dollars Per Win numbers are some of the best. The surprise here is Hasselbeck, who despite only having the 5th highest winning percentage of QB's we looked at, looks to be an incredible bargain. He is #1 (or tied for it) in every way we look at Dollars Per Win. His total number ties Brady, and his guaranteed and mean number check in significantly below Brady's.
  • While you would be hard-pressed to find anybody say Hasselbeck is a top 5 quarterback in the league, it's pretty clear that for the number of wins he produces, he is an incredible value.
  • Moving down the list (we'll save a more thorough analysis of Ben for later) we see Romo comes in at third in most measures, although it should be noted that not only is his career win percentage based on a MUCH smaller sample size than everybody else on the list, but also that his guaranteed dollars per win is 5th. As we stated in Part II, that's largely due to Jerry Jones fat wallet and Romo's age (necessitating more guaranteed money with a shorter contract essentially).
  • Brees and Bulger have nearly identical win percentage numbers but due to Brees having a smaller contract his value numbers look much better. Furthermore, New Orleans really got a steal because they were aided by concerns over the shoulder injury he suffered in his last season in San Diego, which helped keep his price down.
  • Peyton Manning is a bit of a surprise coming down so low on this list. I would never say Peyton Manning is overpaid, in fact, I would treat him differently than every other QB since he not only makes the throws but is also an impromptu offensive coordinator on the field. While there is no way to factor this in, I still think Peyton was had for a decent value. I doubt any Colts fans would complain, considering they have been one of the winningest teams in the league with him at the helm.
  • As stated in Part II, Carson Palmer is the big disappointment. With how dysfunctional that team has been it's hard to say if it's entirely his fault, but as the QB (fairly or unfairly) he should shoulder some of that responsibility. It's possible Cincy's front office was so anxious to get a deal done because they hadn't had a franchise type QB in ages, that they overvalued their own player a bit. If he could raise his winning percentage up to the mid 60s then he wouldn't be so far off the middle of this list, but given the division and conference he plays in, that would be a minor miracle.

Big Ben Without 2006:

I also calculated Ben's winning percentage and Dollars Per Win statistics if we removed the atrocious (and most likely statistically aberrational) 2006 season. It seems likely the Steelers front office didn't hold that season against him either, and when removed, his winning percentage jumps to 79.7% (.7969). Here is what his numbers look like after we adjust:

As you can see, he is now projected to win 102 games over the next 8 seasons. Furthermore, his win percentage is better than Brady's, and his guaranteed and dollars per win measures now move up to 2nd, behind only Hasselbeck. His total dollars is still firmly fourth, and as we see if Ben earns every penny of his contract, and delivers 102 wins, he'll earn 1 million dollars for every W.

Final Conclusions:

When we just compared Ben with the other QB's on a salary only basis, he seemed to have a decent contract, right in the middle of the pack. I specifically came up with Dollars Per Win because I wanted to see a way where we could relate not only contract size, but also contract size as a function of wins a quarterback produces. The results are just about what I expected, with the major surprises being Matt Hasselbeck and Peyton Manning.  Hasselbeck showing incredible value, and Manning's numbers SEEMING to indicate he is overpaid (although I clearly do not believe this to be the case). Based on the number of wins we might expect Big Ben to help generate for us in the future, we got an excellent value. Like any quantitative tool this doesn't tell the whole story, but I feel very confident the numbers back up what we see as football fans with our eyes (i.e. I think most people agree). Any feedback/input is greatly appreciated; also let me know if you want me to update these numbers as the season (and thus a QB winning percentage changes) goes on. I have some other ideas for measuring QBs as a function of their contract (such as dollars per touchdown thrown/ran for), so let me know if this kind of stuff interests the BTSC readers here.

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First off, great job. This is good stuff.

The one thing I think could be added is an expected wins per season column. Brady, of course, would then shoot to the top of the list.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 7, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great insights
As with the other parts, a side of the deal not being examined elsewhere. thanks for putting this together.

I think, the winning percentage of the team prior to the qb's arrival and afterward - a winning impact metric- would be valuable. Brees seems like he is better longterm bet and it would be worth a premium to pay for that.

I mean, Aaron Brooks had a 43% career win %, couldn't take his team to the playoffs and had performance spiralling way down the year he left. He had a 6 year 36 million contract in 02 (amusedly at the time he got more than he might otherwise because brady got 4 years 30 million). Which would factor out to $1.30 win. In this light, Brees at $1.18 is an amazing value, even with the injury risk, he couldn't have done worse than Brooks.

by vherub on Apr 7, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great idea
be a "value-added" sorts of statistic.  i'll see what i can cook up with that.  

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

those numbers are:
Brady: 12.3 wins/season
Ben: 11.4 wins/season (if remove '06 it is 12.75 though!)
Romo: 11.66
Peyton: 10.57
Hasselbeck: 9.6
Brees: 8.5
Bulger: 8.5
Palmer: 8.55

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meant to
have that as the reply to Blitz's comment.  those are the per season wins numbers.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 2:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peyton's numbers
are hurt by a 3-13 record his first year, and a 6-10 record his 4th year (records found here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/).  The 4th year record cost Jim Mora his job, and since Dungy has taken over they haven't won fewer than 10 games (and 12 or more all but Dungy's first year).

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea
He's obviously been tremendously consistent since year 5, but just as Big Ben's 2006 season must be considered, so too must all of Peyton's, especially year 4 when there was less room for excuses as there were in his first couple of years trying to turn around a horrible Colts team.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 7, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure
It all has to be considered, that's true.  Perhaps one other point to be added to this analysis would be coaching.  They always say that every legendary coach also had a great quarterback (at least that's what Jaws says :)).  Two other points about that 4th year:  First, if you look at that site from Pro-Football-Reference, you see that Edgerring James must have been hurt that year, because Dominic Rhodes was the leading rusher.  Second, and this goes back to your point, Blitz, is that I believe this is the year that Peyton set a record for most INT's returned for TD (or it seemed like it).  So, many of those losses were a result of Peyton's turnovers leading to points for his opponent.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very true
which makes the fact that Cowher was so successful for so long without a "franchise" QB even more impressive.  he got to a super bowl with Neil O'Donnell and was a legit contender with Kordell Stewart.  of course, your sentiment is validated in that he couldn't win a Super Bowl until he had Ben, a franchise QB.  likewise, did Schottenheimer ever have a franchise QB?  unless you count Rivers as one (which I don't--yet), then he hasn't.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
I've always thought that Cowher overachieved with the talent that he had, but that didn't make the AFCC losses any easier to take.

Schottenheimer had Montana for 2 years, which may have been his only playoff wins.  But, before that, he did have Steve Deberg along with Christian Okoye and Barry Word.  With those two monster RBs and Debergs play faking ability, they should have been able to win a few more playoff games.  And Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith on defense?  Are you kidding me?  How did he not win some playoff games back then?  Anyway . . .

I don't think you can count Rivers as a franchise QB yet.  I'm biased, since he went to my college, but I do think he will be.  At worst, he'll be another Deberg or Dave Krieg.  At best, he'll be a top 5 QB.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great stuff
As always MVT, you've outdone yourself with this third installment. I can't wait to see further analysis in the future. Thanks again for all of the time and energy that it took to gather all of this info and put it in a format that we can use.

Here's what I've taken from this series:

  • No Steeler fan should be anything less than estatic about the money that was paid to Big Ben. He's a franchise QB and deserved to be paid like one.
  • I've got a new found respect for Matt Hasselback. I've never feared his abilities as a QB but I do have respect for what he does from a team aspect. He's done an admirable job of bring stability to a franchise that anything but prior to his arrival.  
  • Palmer's been a disapointment in every sense of the word. The more I see stats and discussion about him and the Bengals as a whole, it's obvious that he's not much more than a name. He's had a great supporting cast (probably a close third of these guys behind Manning and Bulger) but has the worst results, by far. There are mitigating factors but regardless, you expect a franchise QB to elevate the level of your franchise and he has failed in that aspect.

by cgolden on Apr 7, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks and
you are exactly right.  we should be thrilled with the deal Ben got.  we absolutely did not pay too much, based on the dollars per win stat we actually got some pretty solid value out of this deal.  originally before his deal was signed i was one of the people saying he should get a 6/60 type deal, but now that we've taken an in-depth look at the numbers, the Steelers front office hit it right on the head with how much money he was given.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great job TMVT!
I just wanted to echo everyone else's praise of these installments.  Based just about every category, you have to say that Ben is well on his way to being a great QB.  He has the passing statistics, the win %, and the playoff wins to be right up there with anybody in the league but Tom Brady* (whose accomplishments have become somewhat suspect).

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Echo again...
Only a few die hard maniacs like us would even appreciate something like this!  Thanks for catering to the die hard maniacs.

by maryrose on Apr 7, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here here
Mission accomplished then. That's what BTSC's here for.

I look forward to seeing how we can continue to expound on some of these ideas in the future. For the first several go-arounds, I'd say TMVT is off to a great start.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 7, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In my opinion
I know Brady is good and all, but IMO the only reason he is listed as the best QB is simply cause of his Super Bowl Wins. Without those wins, his numbers are completely average-good. Of course this past year where Bellichick bought him all these WR's helped his numbers.

Before his 50 TD year, his numbers were:

61.9 Cmp% - 7.04 YPA - 4.8 TD% - 2.55 INT % - 88.4 Rating

by jason97673 on Apr 7, 2008 5:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true
At one point, all the talk was why he wasn't mentioned in the same breath at Brett Favre, Carson Palmer, and Peyton Manning.  But, I believe, until 2005, he never had a statistically great year.  He just one all these close games.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 5:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

system re-designed
i believe it was Easterbrook of TMQ who pointed out that it appeared NE came up with an offensive system designed to almost always give Brady a pass straight in front of him (the easiest throw to make), and that defenses didn't seem to catch onto this very well, even though it would be simple to defend.  we'll see what happens this coming year as teams should have it figured out now.

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read that article too.
I haven't watched enough Pats* games to know for sure, but I saw TMQ's story where he said that as well.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 7, 2008 5:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this would explain
why his deal is not as large as Peyton's (and others) possibly.  Brady partly the product of being on a great team, the SB winning Pats teams were more defensive juggernauts than offensive machines.  Front-office could've said to Brady (and he was smart enough to realize they were right), "hey, you aren't quite as great as it seems to be."

by TheMostViolentTeam on Apr 7, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Prior to this year though
Brady might have had the weakest receiving corp of anyone mentioned.  Perhaps by far.  We all saw what he did when the Pats finally said enough is enough and went our and got him some weapons.

Brady's greatest strength is Ben's greatest weakness:  checkdowns.  If Ben could add to his repetoir the ability to dink checkdowns he would be as good as it gets.

by maryrose on Apr 7, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1
Great call, rose...  I can't count how many times this past season I yelled at my tv wishing Ben would dump it to dookie (sorry for the bad pun) or fast willie.  He seemed to do it a little more as the season went on, but he sits on his reads a little long for my taste currently.  especially on 2nd down.  On third down, fine, if you take a sack, that's fine, you're going for the first, but on second you're killing me Ben.

by Chicago Steeler on Apr 9, 2008 10:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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